From: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: UK uproar?
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:47:48 +0100



Joacim Person wrote


> Dave has already produced almost all variants of false arguments,
> to the point of giving the impression of not being by mistake or ignorance


Be reasonable, Joakim. Unlike you, I don't have a Masters Degree
in Philosophy.  AND  I don't speak Swedish, or even Latin. Lacking
_your_  classically-trained mind, it is impossible for me to know
which kinds of arguments are permissible under the rules of
the Swedish Classically-Trained Debaters Society, and which
are not.

Besides,  YOU  had a go at me about me being Scottish,
so this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black-arse.


> busy adding amusing little insults to every post
> he makes


Like you do, you mean ?


> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you!


Now  _that_  is true.

It is true that just pecause a persson is paranoid, that doesn't mean
the state authorities are not out to get them.

However, I personally am  _not_  paranoid.  Although it is quite
possible that the British state police do indeed have records on me,
these will probably relate mostly to activities quite a lot of years
ago, when I was considerably younger than I am now. In my
present condition of "semi-retirement", I doubt if they pay
an excessive amount of attention to me nowadays.


> (I'm telling you this as a friend: Prince Charles has instructed MI5
> to hide microphones in your underware. They are also photographing
> you at the loo. Be careful. And act naturally.)


(1)  You are definitely  NOT  a friend. Merely being on
an e-mail discussion list that I'm also on certainly doesn't
make you a "friend".

(2) Although he is indeed part of the ruling class, Prince
Charles does not give direct instructions to  MI5 .
The connection between  MI5  and Prince Charles
is that every member of  MI5  has to swear a loyalty
oath with includes the words " I swear allegiance
to Her Soveriegn Majesty Queen Elizabeth, and
to her Heirs and Successors ". Charlie is, of course,
number one "Heir and Successor". As has been shown
on various occasions (for instance in the 1960s when
Harold Wilson was Prime Minister) many members
of  MI5  take their loyalty oath seriously. If they perceive
any conflict of loyalties between their allegiance to,
on the one hand,  "Her Soveriegn Majesty Queen
Elizabeth and her Heirs and Successors " , and, on
the other hand, the members of parliament or government,
then allegiance to royalty comes first. For this reason,
the involvement of Prince Charles and co. with the so-called
"Countryside Alliance" demonstrates the essentially reactionary
nature of that organisation. The  UK  is a state which fought
a civil war between Parliament and Crown, and, in the unlikely
event of any re-run, I think we could safely assume that
most  MI5  operatives would be with the Royalists.


Dave Coull