From: "roger" <diogenes.jones-AT-attbi.com> Subject: Re: We _Can_ Stop This War Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:09:13 -0800 good points, carpo, but i don't think that shrub is the 'root' of this (sorry for the pun). he's the Tool of Rumsfeld, Cheny, et. al. and it isn't just a continuation of the first Persian Gulf War so much as it is a REVERSAL of that much earlier and more costly defeat: Vietnam. that's why these goobers are so emotional about it. this is a way for the conservatives to cut the gordian knot and redeem the sins of the past whilst creating the brave, new and above all, Amerikan, twenty-first century. while i agree that this could all blow up in the face of the republicans, there is a lot of short-term tactical benefit to be had. note how effectively it worked in november. note the dems total and complete disarray. and it will be obvious that bush's budget and domestic agenda can be more easily shoved down congress' throat in the middle of a war. these guys are good. really good. roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "danceswithcarp" <dcombs-AT-bloomington.in.us> To: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com> Cc: <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Re: We _Can_ Stop This War > At 09:04 AM 2/10/2003 +0000, Dave Coull wrote: > > > >If we manage to stop an attack on Iraq from going ahead > >in the near future, this will be a very limited victory. > >His Unelected Majesty King George Bush The Second will > >still be looking for opportunities to fling the USA's > >weight around globally. > > Dave, I am afraid you are reading this man in a way too normal mode. I > *am* a politician and I *deal* with politicians, professionals, I had three > chats with the congressman from this district, which is safe and democratic > and he told me and he has told whole crowds that he cannot find a hoosier > who supports the war, and then he votes for it. Why? Because in the > slash and burn politics of the last decade being on the worng side of an > issue that wins is a surefire way to lose the seat. If the local c-person > votes no and the war is a winner, he'll never survive the next onslaught of > red-scare type negative ads. AND THIS FRIGHT OF THE FUTURE IS SHOWN WHILE > THE C-PERSON CURRENTLY CLAIMS 100% BACKING FOR BEING ANTI-WAR. > > No one here from either major party can figure this rush to war out. I > can game it out from all angles and I see no positives in two years for > George W., even when I play a republican supporter. The POTUS truly is > off on a hell-bent attempt to validate his daddy's failure. Georgell > really seems driven by the attempt Saddam made on his dad's life. We do > not send the 4th Mechanzed Dvision, the 3rd Mechanized division, the 1st > Infantry Division and the 101st Airborne, along with a 30,000 man and woman > Marine force, plus 5 aircraft carriers and several hundred of our Big Boy > Bombers over to the mid-east to get called back. The bad politics here is > clear; "Spend 4 billion bucks getting assets in place and then *don't* use > them?" Not even the lobotomized american electorate will excuse that even > if Saddam steps down and has himself decapitated. You just don't blow 4 > billion on TV and not have a war to show for it. > > Now of course the anarchists, the leftists, and the black blocs can raise > holy hell while it is going on, but they ain't stopping anything. The > only thing that will stop this is blood. There has not been anything this > screwy in american history; it simply has not happened where a US President > decides to go to war against the wishes of _everyone_. The politicians are > afraid to stop him because they fear that infinitesimally little bit of the > story that may be The Truth. This fear makes them say weird stuff like > Daschle and Kerry have been saying lately--that we have to give the > inspectors more time but we must support the president. > > And after Iraq, take your pick: North Korea, Indonesia, Pakistan--any of > the stans for that matter--and never forget we will have Iran in a > strategic vise, Afghanistan to the east, Iraq to the west. There is a lot > of Reagan/Bush Payback loaded on BushII's Shit-Train, and that sucker is on > a long and steep-graded downhill run. There is no stopping it, and > caution is advised to any who stand in front of it. > > > carp > > >
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