Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:56:26 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Volodya=20V=20Anarhist?= <volodyanarchist-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Ownership < > no, i was citing 2 different examples of poverty and > extreme poverty. If we make a survey for the poorest most miseable person there is in the industralised world, we could still find millions of people from the rest of the world more than willing to take his place. That's why there are so many people trying to cross the Rio Grande, cross the Gibraltar strait etc, to have a chance to dip their snouts too into the oil tray. So, so much for sympathy. ;) Anyone is rich, or poor, compared to someone else. I can feel subjective sympathy for someone having a worse life than myself, and subjectively envy someone else who is having a better life than me. Is there an objective way to tell if someone is being screwed? What is a fair pay? Noone would, I think, deny that everyone has the right to what he himself produces with his own body. The payment for work cannot be less than that, or the worker is clearly being exploited. The problem is that in our world, this amount of work is very small, compared to the work (human or machine) necessary to produce the goods the worker can get for his payment. A lot of it is work extracted from exergy in oil. So if I demand more than I put in as labour, I'm either exploiting another human, or I am exploiting some external energy source. That isn't automatically a bad moral -- sunlight is a free energy source, for anyone to take. I would be surprised if someone rushed out from behind a bush and yelled "thief!" at me, when I harvest potatoes I planted myself in my garden. It's not stolen from another human anyway. Who does oil belong to in the first place? Whoever finds it? The ones living on top of it? Everyone having an equal share of it? Free for the take? > Why the fuck do all the people try to cling to ownership. Even if that is a collective one it's still an ownership, damn it. I'm sorry for all the vulgarities, but i just don't understand that mindset. ====+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://gendarmesleeps.narod.ru/ When Gendarme Sleeps, Anarchy's Zine of Poetry and other cool pages: http://www.renegadewriters.org http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/anarchistpoetry/ http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
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