From: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com> Subject: Vladimir Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:13:20 -0000 Vladimir writes > you are probably refering to the word "Volya" which > does indead mean "freedom" Yes, you're right about that. Many, many years ago, I was involved in a London-based anarchist/libertarian magazine called "Volya". We published stories received through contacts in eastern Europe exposing the crimes being carried out by the Soviet Union, and tried to get it distributed in Russia etc. One of our editors was arrested at Moscow airport carrying a big load of "subversive" material. At the time the Soviet government didn't want a scandal so they just put him on the next flight back to London. In 1978 we started the "Boycott the 1980 Moscow Olympics" campaign. Much later, Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan jumped on the bandwagon we had started, although, in their case, for completely hypocritical and unprincipled reasons. > as for "VolodyA!" that is my name (Volodya > is a derivative for Vladimir just as Dave > is one for David... right) Wrong. Dave is SHORT for David. Just one sylable instead of two. But "Volodya" isn't _short_ for Vladimir. They both have three sylables. > "This list" doesn't really "include" anybody Let me take this slowly, since you have so much difficulty with the English language. Either that, or you are as thick as two short planks, as they say in Ireland. A "list" is "a number of connected items or names". When I go shopping, I might write out a "shopping list". That means a list of items which I want to buy - bread, cereal, milk, and so on. Each of the items on my shopping list is "included" in that list. Exactly the same thing is true of the anarchy-list. It is a list of people who have come together on the internet to talk about things which, in general, have some kind of connection to anarchy. All of the people who are on this list are "included" in it. INCLUDING YOU . > i don't consider myself to be a part of this list Regardles of whether you consider yourself as part of it or not, it is a statement of fact that you are included in the anarchy list. The only way you could NOT be included would be if you were to un-sub. So long as you continue arguing with me on this list, you continue to prove that I am right in saying that this list "includes" you. Vladimir writes > i do respect you oppinion...that is so abviously wrong. But then in his next message Vladimir writes > you do have a brain cell... However, > that one cell is all you have.... so, since the "respect" didn't last very long, I am under no obligation to be polite to Vlad. > Vladimir. I hate that name But it is the name that your mommy and daddy gave to you! Anyway, since you _are_ Vladimir, despite hating the name, and since you have been rude to me yet again, I will call you by your proper name. You can call me "David" if you like. I don't mind. I am quite proud of my given name. > I'm sorry that i have busted your bubble, but > you are wrong, the great land of the free, > god blessed, prosperous, and good-wishing > the United States of America, the one and > the only country claiming to represent 2 continents > (NA and SA) and even sometimes one of the four > major directions (West) does indead have a bad > point to it... No, Vlad, you haven't burst my bubble. Despite loving some of its citizens, I have no illusions about the USA being "the land of the free". >>> Read the constitution >> >> >> No thanks. >> >> Life is too short. > > But yet soon you will use the laws in your argument.... No I won't >> It is at least questionable whether in the early >> days slaves had any "rights" _in law_ - that >> is, according to the state. > > here you are using that law that you promissed not to read No, I'm not. I am not "using" the law. It was YOU who chose to define "rights" as being some concession granted by the state. Using YOUR definition, it is questionable whether slaves in the early days of the USA had any rights. > because your life is too short Who said anything about "my" life? I was making a general statement. YOUR life is _also_ short. > that would mean that USA is not great, > and we have already agreed that it is Who is this "we" ? YOU may have already agreed that the USA is great. I didn't. > What is a limited freedom? Look, YOU were the one who said >> free persons on the other hand have freedom (undevisible) And I was the one pointing out the flaw in YOUR logic - YOU may consider yourself "free" in your own mind, but if your circumstances are un-free, then their are limits on the "freedom" which you imagine you have. > not that of any american, since all the persons > who live in a great country that is freedom > sharing have to be (by birth) smart and educated)? Why do you keep having a "go" at Americans? Is it because, amongst your many other mistaken beliefs, you believe me to be one? >>> there are many Homo Sapiens who don't join together >>> with other species to fight for their freedom. >> >> >> Since human beings are the only species capable >> of joining together with significant numbers >> of other individuals, it would be quite pointless >> to attempt to do this. > > Hold on, isn't that what you were trying to prove... > and now you are using your thesis as an argument No I'm not. It is a simple statement of fact that human beings are the only species of animal capable of joining together with significant numbers of other individuals. Not counting desert regions, in every square metre of earth there are thousands of earthworms. Earthworms are animals, and, despite being small, there are so many of them they _far_ outweigh us humans. But just try telling them "Worms of the World Unite!" and see how far you get. > slaves only came to existence when after wars those > captured were not killed. So they only were alive > because they were allowed to. But what is the point... > they still should have been free. SHOULD have been free, Vlad ? It is quite clear from this statement that you are talking about a RIGHT to freedom! So it turns out that you DO believe in rights! Dave Coull
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