File spoon-archives/anarchy-list.archive/anarchy-list_2003/anarchy-list.0303, message 223


From: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: test
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:20:16 -0000




Roger wrote


> i suspect that most on the list are, like me, 
> a bit 'weary' of your snotty, smug, back-handed 
> insults.


Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

For 8 or 9 years I have accepted that I am in a minority 
on this list, and probably always will be, but that 
doesn't matter as long as I am succeeding in getting 
some things across to some people. And of course
I am quite sure of that. Being in a minority, even 
a minority of one sometimes, has never bothered 
me in the slightest. 


> without any knowledge of what i've done or not done, 
> you come along again with one of your fucking drive-by 
> ad hominims


Well of course I was  _defending_  Kristopher's initiative 
from  _your_  putdown. I didn't say the bit about a thousand
weary cynics applied to you. It's a case of, if the cap fits...


> and of course, you'll claim innocence when confronted


Pure as the driven snow  :-)


> almost FORTY PERCENT of the posts on my drive 
> right now are from you.  


Gee, aren't you lucky!
Save them up!
They will be valuable some day!
On the other hand, if you don't like them,
use your "delete" key.


> WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT?
> did you hear me this time?   


No need to shout, I heard you the first time.
And as a matter of fact I answered you the first 
time. Maybe  _you_  are the one with a hearing problem, 
as you didn't hear my answer. But here it is again:  
I do not claim to have "The Answer". What I most
defnitely  _do_  claim is that it is  _possible_
to stop Bush and Blair. Note that I said "possible"
and not "inevitable". If enough people are prepared
to take direct action to stop them, they can be 
stopped. If you come into that rather large group
of people who think this war is going ahead no
matter what they do, but despite that they will 
do what they can to try to stop it nevertheless,
well then, I would disagree with your pessimism, 
and think it very damaging, while also thinking 
it perfectly  _understandable_  that you should 
feel pessimistic. When I talked about "weary cynics
who do sweet-fuck-all", obviously that did not
apply to those who feel pessimistic but do what 
they can anyway; it applied to those who say 
"what's the use?" and whose ONLY contribution 
is to make cynical remarks about the efforts 
of those who  _do_  try to do something.


> what, specifically, will stop blair and bush?  
> and if you say you don't know, then you have 
> no room to preach to others.


You underestimate my capacity to find room for 
preaching, Roger. My criticism is not aimed at
those who are pessimistic but do what they can
anyway. In talking about "weary cynics who do 
sweet-fuck-all" I was obviously criticising
those whose  _only_  contribution is to put 
down the efforts of those who do  _not_  do
"sweet fuck all". And yes, in relation to _that_
group, yes, I do think I can find room for preaching.


> you seem to feel that if you, rather compusively 
> to my mind, respond to EVERY post that comes your 
> way, you have somehow 'won' the debate. sheesh.


But it simply isn't true that I respond to every
post that comes my way. If you look at the subject
heading at the top of this post, "test", you will find
that there were in fact several posts with that heading
before yours. I felt no need to respond to them, but
I decided to respond to your put-down of Kristopher's
contribution. And  _of course_  the debate can never 
be "won", by either side. But it will end sometime. 
Like when I am dead and buried under six feet of earth. 
Maybe. 


> if, on the other hand, you want to (for example) walk away 
> from your debt, then by all means lead the way.  


Kristopher's suggestion applied specifically to the USA.
He quoted some federal law or other as applying. USA
federal law does not apply here. The rules are different. 
Also, having already done it once, I am fairly certain
that there is a legal bar under Scottish law on me doing 
so again. Anyway, I didn't say definitely that Kristopher's
suggestion would work. What I said was that he was to be
complimented on trying to come up with a positive suggestion.
It is up to people in the USA to explore his suggestion 
and see how workable it would be. 


> if all you can do in your response is your usual blow-job, 
> then just fuck off.  


If by "fuck off" what you really mean is "I wish you would 
leave the anarchy-list", then please remember that wise
saying, if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.


> we're all doing what we can


No, Roger, that is  NOT  true.

YOU  may be doing what you can,
but it is not true that all are.
To take just one obvious example, 
greg has stated on this list that 
he sees no point in doing anything,
and that he is in fact doing nothing. 


> by the way, please refrain from sentences beginning with 
> "Roger, your problem is. . ." ; especially when it refers 
> to mass actions.  


No


> i'm probably as old as you, Dave, and a lot more 
> travelled


So what?


> i was there with scarsdale in cardiff in 78 and 79


Do you mean Scargill?


> fuck you


Try saying "Om" . This may help to make you at peace 
with yourself and with nature and the universe, 
my brother.


Dave Coull


   

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