File spoon-archives/anarchy-list.archive/anarchy-list_2003/anarchy-list.0303, message 233


From: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: test
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:38:49 -0000




Roger wrote


> once again you evade the question and refuse to admit 
> you have no answer.  


Saying that you do not claim to have "The Answer"
 _IS_  an answer. 


> this is tedious. you say, "if enough people are prepared 
> to take direct action to stop them, they can be stopped."  
> how, Dave?


In lots of different ways. By strikes. By occupations.
By messing up the workings of finance. Maybe Kristopher's
idea isn't the best way of doing this, but it is an example
of imaginative thinking being applied. There could be
loads of other imaginative ideas out there. Precisely 
because I  _don't_  live in the USA, precisely because 
I am _not_  so familiar with the situation there, with 
the laws there, etc., I wouldn't give advice on exactly 
 _how_  to do direct action. But what I do say is that, 
in principle, direct action and solidarity work. 


> i just responded to gr3g with all the good reasons 
> that direct, public action is a good thing.  


Yes, I read what you wrote, and I agreed with you.


> what is destructive and divisve are self-appointed 
> vanguardists like you.  


I replied to this thing about "vanguardist" before,
so, to save the bother of doing so again, I will
just re-send that post.


> this started with your accusations of 'american nationalism' 
> on the list, and then mutated into your one-man crusade 
> for turning this into the "anti-bush/blair intervention 
> in iraq" list. fuck that. you say that's the most
> important thing on your radar screen and what's 
> more should be the only one on our screens.


I didn't say it was the  _only_  thing people should
talk about. I said it was the only thing that _I_
wanted to talk about at present, and that it was 
a ridiculous situation where the USA and Britain 
were about to go to war, and ten million people 
throughout the world were demonstrating against 
this, and yet the anarchy-list was behaving as 
if it was nonsense-as-usual. And that really 
 _was_  a ridiculous situation. And I  _have_
succeeded in getting the list to talk about this, 
even if it has done so in an extremely bad-tempered 
way. 


> of course, when publically challenged by me to put up 
> or shut your fucking mouth you wimped out.  


Kristopher's suggestion was to collect pledges from as many
Americans as possible that, on the day Iraq was invaded, 
they would voluntarily declare bankruptcy under federal
law #7 or something like that. I cannot do this for exactly
the same reason as I cannot refuse to serve in the USA
armed forces. It doesn't apply to me. 


> you'll advocate for others to renounce their debt 


As a matter of fact, I didn't.
I said that Kristopher's suggestion was a positive one
and deserved serious consideration. That is a long way
short of "advocated".


> what was it you said: "I am fairly certain that there 
> is a legal bar under Scottish law on me doing so again."
> what a poseur!!!  wouldn't want you to break any laws 
> and get in trouble there, davey.  


You just don't get it, do you?
The whole point about declaring bankruptcy
is that it is a way of publicly walking away
from your debts. Now, of course I break the law.
In fact, I break it every day. But so far as declaring
myself bankrupt is concerned, having done it once,
I don't think I  _can_  do it again. And even if 
I was to say on this list "I'm walking away from 
my debts" this would still not have the impact on 
the banks that the legal procedure advocated by Kristopher 
would have. This course of action, advocated by an 
 _American_  for his fellow Americans, is simply 
not open to me. 


> mind your own backyard


I do.
The entire universe is my backyard :-)


> we're doing fine and really don't need your advice.  


Americans on this list, including yourself, feel
perfectly free to comment on things in other
countries. Even if Greg does think the Queen
brought Maggie Thatcher down.


> and if i want to post on cosmic string theory 
> or plate tectonics, then that's what i'll 
> post on.  


Oh, I have no objection to that. 
None at all.
I seem to remember that we were both interested
in discussing the Gulf Stream and climate change
not so long ago. I just think it was an un-natural
situation where nobody was posting about what
was obviously the most important topic of 
the day. 


> god, but you're an asshole


Gosh, you're making me blush with such compliments.....


Dave Coull


   

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