From: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com> Subject: RE: test Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 02:38:49 -0000 Roger wrote > once again you evade the question and refuse to admit > you have no answer. Saying that you do not claim to have "The Answer" _IS_ an answer. > this is tedious. you say, "if enough people are prepared > to take direct action to stop them, they can be stopped." > how, Dave? In lots of different ways. By strikes. By occupations. By messing up the workings of finance. Maybe Kristopher's idea isn't the best way of doing this, but it is an example of imaginative thinking being applied. There could be loads of other imaginative ideas out there. Precisely because I _don't_ live in the USA, precisely because I am _not_ so familiar with the situation there, with the laws there, etc., I wouldn't give advice on exactly _how_ to do direct action. But what I do say is that, in principle, direct action and solidarity work. > i just responded to gr3g with all the good reasons > that direct, public action is a good thing. Yes, I read what you wrote, and I agreed with you. > what is destructive and divisve are self-appointed > vanguardists like you. I replied to this thing about "vanguardist" before, so, to save the bother of doing so again, I will just re-send that post. > this started with your accusations of 'american nationalism' > on the list, and then mutated into your one-man crusade > for turning this into the "anti-bush/blair intervention > in iraq" list. fuck that. you say that's the most > important thing on your radar screen and what's > more should be the only one on our screens. I didn't say it was the _only_ thing people should talk about. I said it was the only thing that _I_ wanted to talk about at present, and that it was a ridiculous situation where the USA and Britain were about to go to war, and ten million people throughout the world were demonstrating against this, and yet the anarchy-list was behaving as if it was nonsense-as-usual. And that really _was_ a ridiculous situation. And I _have_ succeeded in getting the list to talk about this, even if it has done so in an extremely bad-tempered way. > of course, when publically challenged by me to put up > or shut your fucking mouth you wimped out. Kristopher's suggestion was to collect pledges from as many Americans as possible that, on the day Iraq was invaded, they would voluntarily declare bankruptcy under federal law #7 or something like that. I cannot do this for exactly the same reason as I cannot refuse to serve in the USA armed forces. It doesn't apply to me. > you'll advocate for others to renounce their debt As a matter of fact, I didn't. I said that Kristopher's suggestion was a positive one and deserved serious consideration. That is a long way short of "advocated". > what was it you said: "I am fairly certain that there > is a legal bar under Scottish law on me doing so again." > what a poseur!!! wouldn't want you to break any laws > and get in trouble there, davey. You just don't get it, do you? The whole point about declaring bankruptcy is that it is a way of publicly walking away from your debts. Now, of course I break the law. In fact, I break it every day. But so far as declaring myself bankrupt is concerned, having done it once, I don't think I _can_ do it again. And even if I was to say on this list "I'm walking away from my debts" this would still not have the impact on the banks that the legal procedure advocated by Kristopher would have. This course of action, advocated by an _American_ for his fellow Americans, is simply not open to me. > mind your own backyard I do. The entire universe is my backyard :-) > we're doing fine and really don't need your advice. Americans on this list, including yourself, feel perfectly free to comment on things in other countries. Even if Greg does think the Queen brought Maggie Thatcher down. > and if i want to post on cosmic string theory > or plate tectonics, then that's what i'll > post on. Oh, I have no objection to that. None at all. I seem to remember that we were both interested in discussing the Gulf Stream and climate change not so long ago. I just think it was an un-natural situation where nobody was posting about what was obviously the most important topic of the day. > god, but you're an asshole Gosh, you're making me blush with such compliments..... Dave Coull
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