File spoon-archives/anarchy-list.archive/anarchy-list_2003/anarchy-list.0307, message 20


From: "Old Goat" <olgoat-AT-nebi.com>
Subject: Re: Workings of an ideal government
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:50:13 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Kazmi" <thekazmis2001-AT-yahoo.com>
To: "Old Goat" <olgoat-AT-nebi.com>; "SHAWN P. WILBUR"
<swilbur-AT-wcnet.org>; <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Workings of an ideal government


> Dear Capricorn,
>
> the dumb fuck quote of Fred Bastiat which got my goat was that
plunder and property are opposites. The passage you quoted below
is not fucking moronic like the original quote, just meaningless.
>
> I would guess this asswipe was also a lawyer who liked to talk
in Capital Letters. "The Law" Life Liberty. For him the LAW was a
bunch of pompous wigged and powdered asswipes parading around in
a courtroom letting off a bunch of hot air.  What about the
unwritten laws of the Roma tribes, the laws transcribed in
culture, tradition and the food distribution patterns of homo
erectus family groups.
>
> Bastiat ambiguously uses words like "Life" "Liberty" against a
precise definition of "Law".
>
> Really. Goatster. "Life before law"??????? what the fuck does
that mean. and Life = Property????
>
> Hey, maybe this Bastiat guy did say something intelligent, but
I haven't run across it as yet.
>
> So, post a better quote, or leave his "fucking moron" title
unchallenged.
>
> Cheers and best regards.

Precisely the point, my dear Ali; no challenge implied or needed.
That quote tells us in a nutshell what the statists are about.
Reading Bastiat is instructive of the motives of statists but has
the nutritional benefit of consuming styrofoam.  The civilised
norms and customs were in place aeons before laws were "written."
Statists the like of Bastiat, et alia, undoubtedly needed a
rationale for the establishment of governance--their basis for
acquiring nasty power, as it were.

The "need to protect" that which already existed and was revered
by those who practiced it carried with in it the implication that
social cooperation was improbable/impossible without the use of
force.  Bastiat and his fellows were not insane--they certainly
knew what they were about--but they were clearly inane at least
as observed by those civilised folk (Roma and others) who knew
from long experience that government without coercive deadly
force is a joke and with coercive deadly force is anathema.  But
without it, species homo sapiens is not (IMHO) socially viable
above the clan level.

This is to say that governments and nations are artificial
constructs which do little to benefit any outside the
self-appointed "ruling classes."  They are there to keep the hoi
polloi in line and to extract wealth (power) from their labour.

This is not to say that clans cannot gather from time to time for
some ad hoc self-interested activities.  But once the need has
abated we needs have the good sense to go home again to mind our
own business.  Like most clans, we Goaters are neither strictly
atheistic nor totally anarchistic but our structure is
voluntaristic and respect-oriented.  And respect cannot be
legislated or coerced, as you well know, it can only be earned by
giving respect in return.

As for metaphysics, that is between me and whatever gods I
acknowledge--as it is with all individuals; it is
absofuckinglutely no basis for an excuse to bully others.

How's the Kazmi Tribe, Canook branch, doing?

old goat




   

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