From: "Old Goat" <olgoat-AT-nebi.com> Subject: Re: Workings of an ideal government Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:50:13 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Kazmi" <thekazmis2001-AT-yahoo.com> To: "Old Goat" <olgoat-AT-nebi.com>; "SHAWN P. WILBUR" <swilbur-AT-wcnet.org>; <anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Workings of an ideal government > Dear Capricorn, > > the dumb fuck quote of Fred Bastiat which got my goat was that plunder and property are opposites. The passage you quoted below is not fucking moronic like the original quote, just meaningless. > > I would guess this asswipe was also a lawyer who liked to talk in Capital Letters. "The Law" Life Liberty. For him the LAW was a bunch of pompous wigged and powdered asswipes parading around in a courtroom letting off a bunch of hot air. What about the unwritten laws of the Roma tribes, the laws transcribed in culture, tradition and the food distribution patterns of homo erectus family groups. > > Bastiat ambiguously uses words like "Life" "Liberty" against a precise definition of "Law". > > Really. Goatster. "Life before law"??????? what the fuck does that mean. and Life = Property???? > > Hey, maybe this Bastiat guy did say something intelligent, but I haven't run across it as yet. > > So, post a better quote, or leave his "fucking moron" title unchallenged. > > Cheers and best regards. Precisely the point, my dear Ali; no challenge implied or needed. That quote tells us in a nutshell what the statists are about. Reading Bastiat is instructive of the motives of statists but has the nutritional benefit of consuming styrofoam. The civilised norms and customs were in place aeons before laws were "written." Statists the like of Bastiat, et alia, undoubtedly needed a rationale for the establishment of governance--their basis for acquiring nasty power, as it were. The "need to protect" that which already existed and was revered by those who practiced it carried with in it the implication that social cooperation was improbable/impossible without the use of force. Bastiat and his fellows were not insane--they certainly knew what they were about--but they were clearly inane at least as observed by those civilised folk (Roma and others) who knew from long experience that government without coercive deadly force is a joke and with coercive deadly force is anathema. But without it, species homo sapiens is not (IMHO) socially viable above the clan level. This is to say that governments and nations are artificial constructs which do little to benefit any outside the self-appointed "ruling classes." They are there to keep the hoi polloi in line and to extract wealth (power) from their labour. This is not to say that clans cannot gather from time to time for some ad hoc self-interested activities. But once the need has abated we needs have the good sense to go home again to mind our own business. Like most clans, we Goaters are neither strictly atheistic nor totally anarchistic but our structure is voluntaristic and respect-oriented. And respect cannot be legislated or coerced, as you well know, it can only be earned by giving respect in return. As for metaphysics, that is between me and whatever gods I acknowledge--as it is with all individuals; it is absofuckinglutely no basis for an excuse to bully others. How's the Kazmi Tribe, Canook branch, doing? old goat
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