File spoon-archives/anarchy-list.archive/anarchy-list_2004/anarchy-list.0401, message 76


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:39:43 +0000
From: Iain McKay <iain.mckay-AT-zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: primitivism and anarchism


hello all

Chuck0 wrote:
> And post-leftism isn't attacking these tendencies as being leftist. A
> few people in these tendencies think that their brand of anarchism is
> being attacked, but post-leftism is not about identifying certain
> varieties of anarchism as being leftism.

You could have fooled me! Honestly, that is *not* the impression I
got.
 
> Really, people should listen to the criticisms and not assume that their
> critics are unified.

I don't assume the latter. but I read the criticisms and came away
with a very negative impression of the whole thing. Any positive
ideas were hidden by the appearence of attacks on other anarchist
tendencies...
 
> It dawned on me several weeks ago that the FAQ is basically a
> post-leftist document. After I found myself referring to the FAQ so much
> in debates on Infoshop News, I realized that the FAQ is really
> post-leftist tool. When you are spending so much time referring people
> to the FAQ because they think that voting in elections is part of
> anarchism, then you start to see the FAQ as being post-leftist.

except that it draws on classical anarchist ideas. Does that mean
"post-leftist" simply means "anarchist"?
 
> One of the basic aspects of post-leftism has been about reminding
> so-called anarchists about anarchist ideas. A lot of people have joined
> the movement of late and some of them have some wrong ideas about anarchism.

I know. Those bloody anti-organisationalist people!!!! :)
 
>   I've been called "leftist" by Bob Black, if I remember
> > rightly -- particularly when I wrote an article for Black Flag on
> > those pesky Italian syndicalists becoming fascists.
> 
> OK. So Bob Black is a provocative writer. Why is he relevant here?

because he has this habit of labelling people. As I said, I'm sure
he called me a leftist (and definitely a workerist). He is a
"post-left" anarchism and there he was calling me a leftist...
 
> > we'll see... There are pains in the arse in all bits of the movement,
> > that's for sure.
> 
> Tell me about it.
> 
> Can we trade?

No! Can we send them somewhere without a internet connection? Or a
post network? Wow, primitivism in action :)

Iain

   

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