From: "Kevin Carson" <kevin_carson-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: FAQ a post-left document? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 03:20:01 +0000 This indicates, at most, that some elements of the syndicalist movement later joined the left wing of the fascist movement; and the fascist left borrowed some ideas from syndicalism. That's considerably less sweeping a claim than you originally made, isn't it? >From: "Aragorn!" <aragorn-AT-angrynerds.com> >Reply-To: "Aragorn!" <aragorn-AT-angrynerds.com> >To: anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU >Subject: Re: FAQ a post-left document? >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:38:05 -0800 > >The Syndicalist Tradition and Italian Fascism. >David Roberts > >p.72 "The syndicalists clearly fell heir to some of the antistatism of the >Italian anarchist tradition, but they were neither proindividualist nor >antiauthoritarian... Panunzio, for example, longed for something more solid >and structured than the simple, transitory groups of isolated indviduals >which he found in the anarchist vision" > >p 77 "For Italian syndicalism, the reverse would be true: the new morality >would be the source of the proletariat's will to a new order...We have seen >that the syndicalists from the beginning had wanted to transcend anarchist >conceptions of revolution" > >p 315 "Though heir to certain anarchist and populist perspectives, the >syndacalists still had participated in the vogue of Marxism in Italy... In >part, then,the left fascist revolt was a challenge to the dominant position >in the tradition of leftist opposition to the bourgeois order which Marxism >had managed to achieve.. In its quest for alternative solutions the left >fascist current resurrected a number of Marx's apparently vanquished >rivals--populist, "petty bourgeois" antiliberal leftists like Mazzinie, >Proudhon, and Sismondi...Sorel and Bernstein." > >Cheers. > >Aragorn! > >Iain McKay wrote: > >>hello all >> >>"Aragorn!" wrote: >> >>>I can see why you Lawrence and Jason like to play so much. Your level of >>>concern about the kind of things you are concerned about are suprisingly >>>similar. >> >> >>sorry, but I asked you to justify a claim you made against fellow >>anarchists. You claimed that they became fascists. I asked for >>some evidence for such a serious claim. I assumed that you must have some, >>otherwise you were making stuff up. As you refuse to >>provide any evidence for your assertion, I can only assume you >>are lying. And that is just not on. Please prove me wrong, give >>me some hope that as an anarchist you have some ethical standards >>regarding your politics and your writing. >> >>And why I am concerned? Well, I'm concerned that an anarchist would >>write an article and see it published without being at all concerned >>about defending what they say in it or providing any evidence for some >>serious comments within it. It seems to me to be ethically >>bankrupt. >> >> >>>My apologies for not having responded to your demands on me in prior >>>emails. I became surprisingly unmotivated after the fury and attitude of >>>your emails toward me. I guess I just prefer a bit of foreplay before >>>one starts in on me at full speed. >> >> >>Please. I asked you a question which you refused to acknowledge, >>nevermind >>reply to. Now, since I have your attention, I'll give you another >>chance. >>Would you *please* provide some evidence about your claim about the >>Italian anarcho-syndicalists becoming fascists and *please* explain why >>"only" believing the "facts and science" caused this. It is a reasonable >>request, I think. >> >>If you are "surprisingly unmotivated" to provide even a single >>reference, >>can I expect you to be equally "surprisingly unmotivated" to write to >>Anarchy retracting your assertion as being simply a made up smear? >> >>Pretty please? >> >>Iain >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
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