File spoon-archives/anarchy-list.archive/anarchy-list_2004/anarchy-list.0402, message 8


From: "Dave Coull" <coull2-AT-btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Primitivism and anarchism discussion Part 1
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:18:08 -0000



Chuck0 wrote


> the "quiz" I sent out was meant to show that 
> all of us know leftism when we see it. 


The quiz you sent out was just a way of 
 _avoiding_  argument. It proved absolutely 
nothing.


> The argument levied against post-leftists that 
> we haven't explained a definition "leftism" is 
> a fallacious one because post-leftists have elaborated 
> a definition. 


A definition of what  YOU  mean by "left", which, 
as is clear from what  _many_  people have said 
here on the anarchy list, is not generally accepted. 


> This definitional argument is just thrown up by people 
> who have nothing sold to say. 


It is you and your fellow post-leftists who have nothing
to say. You describe the anarchist FAQ as a "post-leftist"
document, despite the guy mainly responsible for it denying
any such intention, and despite it having the support
of folk like myself who strongly deny being "post-leftist".


> Iain just doesn't understand yet why he should consider 
> himself to be a post-leftist. 


Ah, so he has not yet had that Road-To-Damascus experience
of the true Post-Leftist believer. 


> An Anarchist FAQ is a post-leftist document because in 
> part it is an extended educational tool aimed at anarchists. 


Well, it isn't just aimed at anarchists, it is also, very
importantly, aimed at people who are not anarchists, but
who want to learn about anarchism. But being an extended
educational tool about anarchism doesn't make it "post-leftist".


> It helps explain what anarchism is and why it is different 
> than leftism 


It explains why anarchism is different from all of the various
sects of the  _authoritarian_  left. That is not quite the same
thing as your "spin" on it. 

This is ridiculous. It is like Christians arguing over the interpretation
of the Bible. But with the obvious difference that the guy who 
wrote most of the thing is still very much with us and has told
you he doesn't see it as "post-leftist". Yet you persist in
saying that it is, and saying that he just hasn't understood 
his own words yet. Such blind faith as yours is impervious 
to reason.

Dave C



   

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