Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:23:24 -0700
From: Spencer Haley <macmaniac-AT-cox.net>
Subject: Re: on alpha males


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you shouldnt use capitalism and statism in the same sentence.
aNARCHO cAPITALIST all the way man.

*nexus*

Mark Waller wrote:

>You are essentially saying we should accept it because that's the way it is.
>If that argument is valid for this list, then it is also valid for
>capitalist, statist society.  If it is not a valid argument for supporting
>capitalism and statism, then it is not a valid argument for this list.
>
>If we knowingly take actions that discourage the timid and thin-skinned from
>participation, then we who are not timid and thin-skinned are defining
>ourselves as the only ones worthy of participation.  That is so-called
>"natural selection", or survival of the fittest - an essential plank of
>fascism.  Those who might think this forum, or any other, is too combative
>to participate in democratically, are not likely to have stuck around long
>enough to back me up in voicing my concerns.
>
>You say that most people here are hard-headed, have no problem propounding
>their ideas, etc.  So what happened to those who weren't so assertive?  Did
>they just never stop by here to begin with?  Did they simply fail to exist?
>
>I repeat: I am not asking for anyone to restrain anyone else.  I am asking
>everyone to consider how they can help everyone else feel empowered to
>participate.  I strongly believe in self-sovereignty and self-empowerment,
>so that each of us individually is responsible for deciding whether we
>should or should not do anything differently.  I am trying to ensure that
>everyone has sufficient information to make informed decisions in this
>regard.  If anyone here believes this concern does not apply to you, I will
>defer to your judgment about yourself, and you can and should simply ignore
>this whole rant.  Someone else might find it useful.
>
>-m
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>[mailto:owner-anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]On Behalf Of Sandi
>and Scott Spaeth
>Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:04 PM
>To: anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: on alpha males
>
>
>At 11:05 AM 6/18/04, you wrote:
>
>  
>
>>p.s. I frequently fuck up when I attempt to say things to make things
>>better, so please let me know if you have suggestions for how I might be
>>able to communicate these ideas in a more helpful way.  Thanks.
>>-Mark Waller
>>    
>>
>
>I don't know that the restraint of alpha males makes sense in this
>forum.   MOST of the people here are hard headed, convinced of their own
>ideas, and have little trouble propounding their ideas.  MOST of the people
>here will also speak up when they feel that bullying or what have you has
>gone too far.  This is a very self policing list in that
>respect.   Artificially restraining the free exchange of ideas because
>there might be a timid person with thin skin who might have something to
>say that no one has said before seems to me to be a somewhat useless
>advancement - particularly given the personality traits required to declare
>oneself an Anarchist in the first place.   Declaring the vast majority of
>the planet's population's ideas about government wrong is not the act of a
>meek soul.
>
>So, I'm not saying you're wrong in general, but methinks you doth protest
>too much in this case.
>
>Then again, I'm feeling kind of cranky today, so take my opinion with a
>pinch of salt.
>
>cheers,
>scott
>
>
>
>
>  
>

HTML VERSION:

You are essentially saying we should accept it because that's the way it is.
If that argument is valid for this list, then it is also valid for
capitalist, statist society.  If it is not a valid argument for supporting
capitalism and statism, then it is not a valid argument for this list.

If we knowingly take actions that discourage the timid and thin-skinned from
participation, then we who are not timid and thin-skinned are defining
ourselves as the only ones worthy of participation.  That is so-called
"natural selection", or survival of the fittest - an essential plank of
fascism.  Those who might think this forum, or any other, is too combative
to participate in democratically, are not likely to have stuck around long
enough to back me up in voicing my concerns.

You say that most people here are hard-headed, have no problem propounding
their ideas, etc.  So what happened to those who weren't so assertive?  Did
they just never stop by here to begin with?  Did they simply fail to exist?

I repeat: I am not asking for anyone to restrain anyone else.  I am asking
everyone to consider how they can help everyone else feel empowered to
participate.  I strongly believe in self-sovereignty and self-empowerment,
so that each of us individually is responsible for deciding whether we
should or should not do anything differently.  I am trying to ensure that
everyone has sufficient information to make informed decisions in this
regard.  If anyone here believes this concern does not apply to you, I will
defer to your judgment about yourself, and you can and should simply ignore
this whole rant.  Someone else might find it useful.

-m

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
[mailto:owner-anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]On Behalf Of Sandi
and Scott Spaeth
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:04 PM
To: anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: on alpha males


At 11:05 AM 6/18/04, you wrote:

  

p.s. I frequently fuck up when I attempt to say things to make things
better, so please let me know if you have suggestions for how I might be
able to communicate these ideas in a more helpful way.  Thanks.
-Mark Waller
    

I don't know that the restraint of alpha males makes sense in this
forum.   MOST of the people here are hard headed, convinced of their own
ideas, and have little trouble propounding their ideas.  MOST of the people
here will also speak up when they feel that bullying or what have you has
gone too far.  This is a very self policing list in that
respect.   Artificially restraining the free exchange of ideas because
there might be a timid person with thin skin who might have something to
say that no one has said before seems to me to be a somewhat useless
advancement - particularly given the personality traits required to declare
oneself an Anarchist in the first place.   Declaring the vast majority of
the planet's population's ideas about government wrong is not the act of a
meek soul.

So, I'm not saying you're wrong in general, but methinks you doth protest
too much in this case.

Then again, I'm feeling kind of cranky today, so take my opinion with a
pinch of salt.

cheers,
scott