Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:57:35 +0200
From: Ze Sprout <anarchie-AT-buelinckx.net>
Subject: Re: New book on anti-capitalism


KILL THE CAPITALISTS KILL KILL KILL

oops, sorry, i got carried away a little

capitalism IS dependant of a state or state-yearning society.

why ? i suppose i need to stay as simple as possible : THINK!

and before you try to argue that i should bring in some arguments, they are all contained in what i wrote 3 or 4 lines up from here.

Erik

At 22:21 -0400 14-06-2004, M.A. Johnson wrote:
>roger
>   as you seem to be confused, please consider the following
>   propositions:
>   anarchism, seen as a coherent historical political theory as opposed
>   to a synonym for chaos, is an outgrowth of socialism and is inherently
>   anti-capitalist.
>MJ
>There was no claim that anarchism was chaos.
>Anarchism as a variation of Socialism is also known.
>Being AGAINST government-less economics is obvious.
>
>roger
>   capitalism, historically, arose in conjuction with and is entirely
>   dependent upon the modern state, if only to define and enforce
>   property rights.
>MJ
>Capitalism is not dependent upon a State.
>
>
>roger
>   it is tedious to continue to have to refute the asinine assertions of
>   ahistorical capitalists who, for whatever reason, have run out of
>   ideas and are looking to cherry-pick anarchism; go think up your own
>   stuff.
>MJ
>Many people believe what they want in order to maintain
>their pleasing vision.  Apparently, you are no different.
>
>Regard$,
>--MJ
>
>If I had to point out the characteristic trait that
>differentiates socialism from [a proper view of the
>political economy], I should find it here. Socialism
>includes a countless number of sects. Each one has
>its own utopia, and we may well say that they are so
>far from agreement that they wage bitter war upon one
>another. Between M. Blanc's organized social workshops
>and M. Proudhon's anarchy, between Fourier's
>association and M. Cabet's communism, there is
>certainly all the difference between night and day.
>What then, is the common denominator to which all forms
>of socialism are reducible, and what is the bond that
>unites them against natural society, or society as
>planned by Providence? There is none except this:
>They do not want natural society. What they want is
>an artificial society, which has come forth full-grown
>from the brain of its inventor... They quarrel over
>who will mould the human clay, but they agree that
>there is human clay to mould. Mankind is not in their
>eyes a living and harmonious being endowed by God
>Himself with the power to progress and to survive,
>but an inert mass that has been waiting for them to
>give it feeling and life; human nature is not a subject
>to be studied, but matter on which to perform experiments.
>-- Frédéric Bastiat


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