File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_1997/97-01-19.114, message 76


Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:30:56 -0500
From: Robert Miller <106014.55-AT-compuserve.com>
Subject: Karl and counter-revolution


Well, it looks like most people want to get rid of Karl.   However, before
you all leap at the chance, I'd like to make a few observations.

1.  At first he wanted to have autonomist marxism defined for him. 
Frankly, he was probably over-optimistic in this, and to my best knowledge
has failed to get much of a reply.  Maybe the list is too diverse for that,
maybe the autonomists on it either won't or can't define themselves.

2.  Then he demanded answers to questions about centralisation and the best
way for revolutionary workers to organise themselves.  He favoured
centralisation.  Some of us tried to say why it wasn't revolutionary.

3.  He got frustrated at the lack of response and started getting rude.

4.  People got rude back......

5.  Then things got really silly.

So who doesn't want to 'expel' him.  Oddly enough, those of us who call
ourselves communists, and hence believe in working class political
organisation and going along with that the ability to expel people....  And
anyway, how do you go about expelling someone from something that has got
no organisational structure, no statement of principles, no formal
membership.  Unless of course it is secretly run by a tyrannical elite.

Meanwhile, politics that at least some of us regard as being
counter-revolutionary (or close to it) are regarded as fine.  Like
supporting trade unionism, national liberationism - when couched in the
populist language of the zapatistas, syndicalism, radical liberalism (to
judge from some of the re-posts) ........  But after all aut-op-sy is a
discussion list.  And apart from being rude, I fail to see what has made
Karl's comments any worse than some of the others I've read.

All-in-all it's not a bad list, and it is a useful source of information
and sometimes of interesting discussion.  (Though the level of discussion
probably reflects individuals interests, rather than Karl).  But don't get
so wound up by it all.  There's more important things to do.  Anyway, whose
next?
Bob



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