Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:38:50 +0100 From: Mr Nobody <mrnobody-AT-geocities.com> Subject: Re: French Bordigists Karl Carlile wrote: > > KARL: Please explain what you mean by ultr-left revisionism in > France? > -------------------------------------------- > John Gray's information on ultra left revisionism was very > interesting, Revisionism, (or historical revisionism) in this context, is talking about revising history to say that the Holocaust (ie Nazi extermination of the jews in particular) did not happen. In britain the main revisionist historian is David Irving, whose public talks have been guarded by C18, the thug wing with the British Movement. Revisionism is, not surprisingly, usually touted by the right. Bordigists are at the left-wing of Leninism. The term 'ultra leftist' is usually a term of abuse that is applied to people who are more left-wing than yourself (although I've described myself as an ultra-leftist sometimes!), but if it means anything, is generally associated with marxist groups very close to left-wing anarchism (ie anti-state, anti-party, as well as anti-capitalist). So, to say the least, its a bit of a contradiction that these Bordigists, and 'ultra-leftists' are borrowing positions & analyses from the extreme right! Part of the explanation for this, is that the bordigist current has been highly critical of Anti-Fascism. It has poiinted out for instance that anti-fascism was the ideology that integrated the revolutionaries of Spain into the state in 1936, and also the workers of France into the popular front, provided the ideological justification for world war 2, and many other wars such as Falklands/Malvinas war, the war in northern ireland (the IRA = national socialists = nazis, supposedly), and in the Gulf (Saddam = Hitler, we were told). Bordigists borrowing from pro-fascists is a bit like pro-censorship feminists borrowing from the moral majority. Perhaps not expected, highly regrettable, but kind of 'understandable' in retrospect. This was going to be a short reply, but its gone on a bit! Two more comments. 1 Most, bordigists, and post-bordigists aren't revisionists. 2 Its interesting that this thread hasn't crossed with the 'fascism & anti-fascism' thread. -- web: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill//Lobby/3909/ email: mrnobody-AT-geocities.com post: BM Makhno, London WC1N 3XX, UK --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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