Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 03:37:18 -0400
From: neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: AUT: anti-parliament and party


dear Bill Bartlett,

The Deleonist  model is oumoded today because
unions (even 'socialist" ones) in this modern period , unlike
 capitalisms ascendant  period  when unions were built 
as genuine workers organizations -ahve been and would
be incorporated into capitals legal, state apparatus 
to do the 'business' of negotiating the terms of 
waged slavery, benefits, insurances ,etc. 

This is the lot of all unions type organizations now--
 unlike a workers councils, assemblies, etc 
which really start to   come to existence only  in pre-revolutionary
periods.  Unions function ( mainly peddling labor power)
in non-revolutionary period and histroy shows that
the best of them are sucked into loyalty to capital
and the  bosses nation states --or  else get destroyed by that state.
They would by nature , have to include many workers 
who are in no way for revolution and still mystified with petty-bourgeois
dreams of good lives as waged slaves and "good citizens".

Your attempt to portray my statements  on the developement
of the nation states and effective opposition   in the modern epoch 
as some kind of "High-noon style  blood lust  is disengenuous.

I merely outlined the  bosses state forces that are arrayed against
 workers and the devastations they have wrought and will continue to 
inflict on workers-world wide if a new revolutionary movements
are not forged in struggle . 

Instead of vaporing about my alleged  like for 'barbarian' methods,
you should think about ways to intervene in the workers struggles
against capital and size up the actual situation -and draw out 
the modern  dialectical conclusions.

I would only remind you also that it was Daniel  Deleon himself as a 
member of the US syndicalist IWW (1905-8) - that even with his own 
 prior and later illusions in electoralism stated;

"A revolutinary who seeks the cloak of legality is a 
revolutionary spent" 

"If the capitalists  resist the revolutionary taking and 
holding by the workers of the insruments of wealth 
production, the workers  will mop the earth with the barbarian 
capitalist class."

I think Deleon  was more  accuate than you on who the real barbarians
 were.
And the bosses  collective barbarism has only  increased many-fold
since  the days of Daniel Deleon.

Neil
for the communist-left


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