Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:57:44 -0400
From: Luther Blissettt <blissett-AT-unpopular.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: AUT: GA shit


>>Rob Brawn wrote:
>>
>>>        i have to say after following this discussion for several days and
>>>biting my tongue, i have to agree with luther. Fascist free speech can't be
>>>separated from fascist violence. Fascists are not interested in dialoguing,
>>>they're interested in killing us. Do i want to make it easier for them to
>>>recruit and influence people to do this, no i don't. Should they be
>>>repressed ,yes they should before they do it to us.
>>
>>But who is going to decide who gets to be be "us" and who gets to be
>>"them"? I suspect that this will be the major idealogical difference
>>between you and your nazi friends, you want it to be you and they want it
>>to be them. I don't trust either of you and you shouldn't trust me either.
>>>thats the bottom line
>>>as far as i'm concerned. wake up and smell the kerosene folks!

The hate-groups designated by nazis do not choose to be hated, abused,
intimidated, maimed, mutilated and murdered by Nazis.

Did you know that with a few exceptions, deportees to Nazi death camps
actually had no desire to go there. (One exception was a resistance fighter
who deliberately went to one camp to help build up the resistance in the
camps.)

Did you know that when Einsatz Kommando exterminated Jews upon the invasion
of Poland, these Jews did not rush out into the streets to be run over by
tanks.

I was saw the Russian film 'Here We Go" which is albeit a fictionalised
account of the Nazi invasion of Bylorussia. I was moved by a scene where
the Nazis are exterminating a village of Russian 'untermensch'. A couple of
them have the opportunity of escaping death when the rest of their village
is hearded into the church which is then set on fire. These people chose to
go into the church to die horribly with their friends and family than
survive as individuals. By their actions they choose to be part of 'us'. (I
assume the account had some basis in real events

Also the Nazis offer no way out (not that the provision for conversion
offered by the Catholoic church in reconquered Spain was anthing but
spurious. The Spanish inquisition was essentially directed at people from
families previously Jewish or Islamic). Their enemies are to be physically
exterminated. On the contrary, I advocate that Nazis stop being nazis, and
would not pursue them after that.

>>I smell it now, yes.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>Lets talk
>>>about their ideology, their practice, their culture and how to defeat it
>>>instead  of their free speech rights.
>>
>>That was what I WAS talking about
>>
>>Bill Bartlett
>>Bracknell Tas.
>>
>        you're right i don't trust anyone who has so little understanding
>of fascism . "my nazi friends", you so snidely refer to, tried to kill my
>grandfather with a lead pipe in a ny subway in the 30's because he was an
>antifascist journalist and labor organizer.  bob brown

I quite agree.




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