Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 01:14:37 -0500
From: vacirca-AT-charm.net (robert brown)
Subject: Re: AUT: GA shit


>Rob Brown wrote:
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>>        you're right i don't trust anyone who has so little understanding
>>of fascism . "my nazi friends", you so snidely refer to, tried to kill my
>>grandfather with a lead pipe in a ny subway in the 30's because he was an
>>antifascist journalist and labor organizer.  bob brown
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>That's all well and good Bob, but we're not talking about what the fascists
>did. At least I'm not, I can see you are desperate to change the subject
>but I can't let you off the hook.
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        i am talking about what fascists did because it bears on what they
do today and will do tommorrow if they're not stopped. you're the one
trying to change the subject, because you know damn well fascist free
speech always leads to fascist violehce.

>If you want to suppress them (Luther at least only wanted to turn a blind
>eye to someone else suppressing them, although I sense that makes him an
>accomplice) you create a couple of very awkward dilemmas for yourself.
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>Firstly, where do you draw the line? If Nazis deserve to be suppressed what
>about those who give aid and comfort to them - like bourgoise civil
>libertarians, or left wingers? Am I not just as dangerous?


        no, you're not , unless you start going around advocating lynching
black people.
its really not that hard to figure out. i argue with people like you and
about these things , with fascists i fight fire with fire. and don't tell
me  you have a problem figuring out who the fascists are.

>But the big question for you, the one you studiously avoided by going into
>a long rant about the holocaust, is exactly WHO will decide where to draw
>the line? And I don't mean in some future socialist utopia, but in the here
>and now. Anyone with an ounce of brain can see that the only ones equipped
>for the task are the present ruling class, do you trust THEM with the job
>of deciding whose ideology can be safely espoused Bob?
>

       Of course not, anyone with an ounce of brain should know that. ...
again this is not as complex as you make it out. i don't support the right
of the State to do anything except go off in a corner and die.
Anti-fascists have to stop the fascists and that includes denying them a
public forum.  Your inability to see anyone else except the capitalist
State, a fascist body  itself, as capable of stopping fascism says a lot
about your politics. We all have to make political judgements about what
people and movements are a physical threat to our safety and act
accordingly. But you go ahead and debate the fascists and see what happens.
bob brown

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