Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:12:24 +0300
Subject: Re: AUT: re: grundrisse etc discussion


Hi listers.
Just a small remark.

rc&am wrote:
<snip>

> an analysis of the objective force of, say,
> the requirement to be a waged worker or be available for wage labour in
> our lives does not entail a beleif in the permanence of such
> arrangements or that they are outside human action.  rather, it does
> lead us to acknowledge the limits to our acting agaisnt this. also, (in
> response to a post by Ilan some time ago) we might well beleive this to
> be an illegitimate system, but that does not make it go away.

The consciousness of people is ALWAYS subjective. Even if it is based on the
wish to base it on as objective perceptions and knowledge as one can... which is
not true for many.

The "subjective" belief that the system is less than perfectly legitimate can
vary along many dimensions. The strong belief of the majority of the working
people that the class society is illegitimate will be the fertile soil for
organisation and struggle that will put an end to it. The struggles which will
result from that belief will initiate the actual power needed... not "the belief
by itself".

> i happen
> to think that most people know full well the circuits of capital, the
> compulsions of wage labour and so on.

They also think there is no better substitute to it.Ilan




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