From: "battaglia comunista" <batcom-AT-ibrp.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:53:06 +0100
Subject: AUT: Re: lenin's admission of state-capitalism ... To "Commie00"



To Commie00 
In plane Italian we would say "ma che cazzo dici?".
I'm waiting from you or from somebody else in the list the precise quotation of Lenin 
saying "socialism is state capitalism".
Even if yuo does not own the Lenin complete works, you should read at least The State and 
the Revolution, for knowing what socialism was for Lenin.
I'm not saying with this (Tahir, listen) that we internationalists support every word and 
every position of Lenin in his own days. I'm just indignant for the distortions of the 
Lenin and the bolsceviks thoughts on the basis of < if i remember correctly> or < i think 
that's exactly right. or close anyway>
IG
Mauro jr

> i read lenin's statement on this sorta stuff when i
> read the complete works some time ago. the year was
> 1917, but i can't remember the exact text title. 
> 
> and, if i remember correctly, he said it in a number
> of other places.
> 
> the one quote i remember pretty clearly is "socialism
> is nothing but state capitalism...". i think that's
> exactly right. or close anyway... 
> 
> i don't own the complete works, or i'd look it up. i'm
> sure someone on the list can point ya'll in the right
> direction... 
> 
> --- battaglia comunista <batcom-AT-ibrp.org> wrote:
> > I'm a bit late in replying (but this is not exact)
> > to Sean.
> > Yes, it would be surely interesting to know this
> > absolutely new text by Lenin.
> > I wonder. why who thinks that the anti-leninism is a
> > main feature, is so engaged in 
> > building pure fantasies for justifying it.
> > Anyway to invent such stupidities is not a good
> > political method.
> > Int. greetings
> > Mauro jr.
> > 
> > > 
> > > to say that the white armies caused
> > > > the
> > > > bolshekik counter-revolution is ahistorical.
> > lenin
> > > > stated, from day one, that he wanted to build
> > state
> > > > capitalism in russia. 
> > > 
> > > could some tell me where in lenin's writings this
> > is
> > > stated? I had someone try to tell me differently
> > the
> > > other day, but I'm skeptical of what this person
> > had
> > > to say... 
> > > thanks,
> > > -Sean
> > > 
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