Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:14:13 -0500 From: neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM> Subject: AUT: Response to Mauro, jr. from "Commie00" We don't basically disagree with "Commie00' about the key period in mid -1918 I think when the Bolsheviks panicked I think by the push of the Counterrevolution/Imperialism to out-right civil war to crush the Oct '17 revolution. So then the bolsheviks bogarted the worker/soldier Councils / Soviets and set up "The councils of Peoples Comissars" tha gave the centralized authoryt to the Bolsheviks-directly -- considering much of what ensued neagtively after this point, we can say that this was a huge error of the bolsheviks -- and they should have instead tried to strenghten the revolutionaries influence through inside the Councils / soviets at all costs. OK--- But "Commie00" is not dealing with the material reality and descends down to idealism, metaphysics, when he avers that; "....... the reason no revolution came from the west because the inspiration of Russia was dying and state capitalism was imposed on the Russian proletarait and peasantry. Russia did not need revolution in the west in order to survive, the insurrection in russia would have had to be successful for revolutions in the west to begin" This cannot be squared with the reality of the mass strugglesof the times. First of all in Germany and Austria and shortly afterward Hungary , Italy , Finland, etc attempts at revolutions and near revolutions of the insurrectionary western soviets in these and other lands did develop in 1918-20, but they were put down pitilessly by reaction and NOT by lack of revolutionary mood or of valor in their class combats. They were destroyed by the right-center and 'left' bourgeois reaction, in which social democrats joined with white guard like foramtions like the 'freikorps' in Germany , etc and smashed up the workers soviets in mass blood orgies. This work was only made easier by the fact the Germany, Italy, Austrai , etc lacked the kind of Steeled Bolshevik party organization that could have fought inside the soviets to expose the deadly manuevers of the social democrats and their rightist white guard reactionary allies.. In fact these very insurrections in the west , were aborted not by western bolsheviks 'centralizers' , but by both the power of reaction itself--and the un-coordinated helter-skelter type tactics that were used in the western insurrections-- which had its base partly , a kind of 'each soviet city for itself'--decentralization attitude. That stuff left many western soviets prey to being picked off and crushed one by one. Neil www.ibrp.org --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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