From: "rcam" <rcollins-AT-netlink.com.au>
Subject: RE: wheee... nationalism  ... Re: AUT: back Vance crisis theory
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:14:20 +1000


Tobias, thanks.

Harald:

: Angela, I was very aware of your firm opposition against nationalism,
: and so I am sure everybody who have followed this list must be too.
: I thought this left little room for misunderstandings. Your ironic
: question just seemed to me a useful line to start off with. Sorry if it
: could be interpreted as I was arguing against you. The opposite was my
: intention.

I wasn't offended or thought you were arguing against me (we've discussed
the topic before), but just wanted to clarify in case there was anyone who
wasn't familiar with my previous rants on the subject.

Have fun and stay safe in gtberg!

commie00:

: i agree. but "citizenship" is a bourgeois notion thru and thru. and the
: attempt to gain citizenship is, in no sense, class struggle.

Walzer talks about the 'tyranny of citizenship' (in Brown and Shue (eds)
_Boundaries: National Autonomy and its Limits_) which, premised on
exclusion, will always actively create juridical non-persons against whom
state terror has no limits and who have no rights.   Thomas complains of
'abstraction', but I think his version of nationalism (geopolitics,
strategy, and stages) is both idealised and irresponsible.


Angela
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