File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0106, message 248


From: "commie00" <commie00-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: AUT: marxism vs. leninism
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:55:21 -0400


louis

i think a major point of contetion you're going to find here is that
leninism is in some way related to marx's politics.

many of us, myself included, have spent years going back thru marx, reading
and re-reading his texts, and what we have found was that, begining with the
second international, marx's ideas have been completely distorted by many of
those who claim to be marxists. this is esp true of leninists who ignored
marx's blatent attack on statism begining in, at the latest, the late 1850s.
from that point on, marx repeatedly attacked hierarchical organization,
statism, etc. hell, one of his major points of contention with bakunin was
that he felt bakunin's notion of organization was too hierarchical and
authoritarian!!

after the paris commune, he made no bones about pointing out how the paris
commune, prior to its take over by bourgeois politicians, was the begining
of the realizing of the form of the "dictatorship of the proletariat". that
is, to marx: the "dictatorship of the proletariat" would be organized
internally in a non-hierarchical fashion.

as for "the party", marx saw the part as something which arises organically
out of the proletariat in struggle, and which would be organized in ways
similar to how we envision a communist society... that is:
non-hierarchically. so: for marx, the party was not something to be
organized from above by intellectuals trying to find the right programme,
but is something which would be organized from below by the proletariat
itself if and when it needed it.

besides, even if all of this were not true, given marx's writings i think he
would have well rejected statist solutions to capitalism by now, given their
overwhelming failure in history.

and never forget, it was to a proto-leninist marx was talking when he said
"if that's marxism, i'm not a marxist!"

so, as a marxist, i say fooey to your faux-marxism. =PPPPPPPPP  (<-----
raspberry)   hee hee





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