File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0106, message 330


Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:30:52 +0200
From: "Tahir Wood" <twood-AT-uwc.ac.za>
Subject: Re: spontineity... was: AUT: marxism vs. leninism


My sentiments exactly. Punk has no crossover appeal.

>>> canito3-AT-earthlink.net 06/22/01 08:06AM >>>
I like the autonomy, but I don't like the all whiteness of most punk scenes
and music. 
My background is inner city working class. And to this day I still see
groups like Ozomatli, Spearhead, on the rap side (and I am sure there more I
don't even know about. I think there is a whole cadre of them up in the Bay
Area for example, not just Michael Franti) and then there are some truly
radical rappers in France, and then there is Sweet Honey in the Rock on the
more folk/Black spirituals, side, and nuevo cancion (and I know now there is
a new Latino rock phenomenon).
I also know that a lot of this is not DIY, unfortunately. But musically it
is more diverse than punk, and then what most punks, unfortunately even punk
musicians tend to listen to.
DIY is important, but so is the music itself. And it isn't just an aesthetic
thing, it's also an international thing. How can you build international
working class consciousness if all you listen to is one kind of Anglophone
white music? 
Sharon

> From: Sean Fenley <satellitecrash-AT-yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:20:38 -0700 (PDT)
> To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
> Subject: Re: spontineity... was: AUT: marxism vs. leninism
> 
> 
>> 
>> i also identify with the underground d.i.y
>> hardcore-punk coutner-culture,
>> which i think is an expression of the working class
>> desire for autonomy, and
>> is a living example of the possibilities of
>> international organizing. but i
>> also understand how participating in this
>> counter-culture creates a sort-of
>> elitism, that capital gladdly exploits since the
>> revolutionary possibilities
>> opened up by the sucess of the diy underground are
>> dangerous to it. this
>> needs to be overcome.
>> 
> CommieOO, 
> i think identities are dumb and i don't 'identify'
> with the hardcore punk scene but i have been involved
> with it and am still somewhat interested (i was
> playing in a band up until nov and looking to start a
> new one soon) but i wanted to comment on an article
> that i saw recently in heartattack fanzine (#29)... if
> you don't know this article than maybe it's not worth
> discussion, but the author's name is jeff (which
> someone on aut-op-sy told me is your name although he
> also told me there are two jeff's that he knows in
> morgantown, wv)... but anyway in his article jeff
> miller writes "punks have managed to form an
> increasingly global network "from the bottom up" based
> on the ethic of "do-it-yourself". In practice this
> ethic means attempts at as much autonomy as possible
> from corporations, authority (inside or outside of the
> scene) and exchange whenever possible" i would agree
> with this statement except for the development over
> the last two or three years in the diy scene of the
> exclusive distribution of records... exclusive
> distribution sets a system in which smaller record
> lablels have virtually all of their records sold
> wholesale or otherwise through a much larger
> distibution house. this creates a middle man
> (capitalist) that drives up the price of records, it
> creates people living off the hardcore punk scene
> (profit motivation) instead of seeing it as a hobby or
> dual power movement, generally it threatens the
> ability of hardcore punk to remain a dual power
> movement i think...
> 
> in addition i just think particulary in the u.s. a lot
> of people in the hardcore punk scene come from a
> middle to upper middle class background and view the
> whole thing as a social or fashion scene (not to
> mention lack or racial diversity and male domination),
> so i don't put a lot of faith in the revolutionary
> potential of the hardcore punk scene... i think there
> are still a few good bands with radical messages, and
> some labels still operating the way things were before
> exclusive distribution but i certainly don't consider
> the hardcore punk scene as a threat to capitalist
> society or even developing an alternative such a group
> like the MST in brazil... the only potential i see in
> the scene is ideas, ideas cannot be de-radicalized i
> don't think and there are still some good ones coming
> from a few bands and zines... well not just ideas but
> also communication, between the few revolutionaries
> that got there start in radical politics when they
> heard a really good 7" or read an intelligent
> fanzine...
> in struggle,
> -Sean
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail
> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ 
> 
> 
> --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---



     --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---


     --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---

   

Driftline Main Page

 

Display software: ArchTracker © Malgosia Askanas, 2000-2005