Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:33:26 -0700
From: Michael Pugliese <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: AUT: religion and culture (response to tahir)


   Great book on Punk, btw, "England's Dreaming, " by Jon Savage of NME.
Michael Pugliese

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From: "Thomas Seay" <entheogens-AT-yahoo.com>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: AUT: religion and culture (response to tahir)


> Commie00, I would like to say that I agree with
> everything that you said on this.  I, myself, have
> certain religious urges.  Namely, an interest, if you
> like, in "expanding consciousness". I wont go into the
> details of that, however, I dont think that Marxism is
> "the end of philosophy" (nor do I think that it was
> meant to be that)...There are a lot of things left to
> explore in this world, and I dont think there is a
> marxian procrustean bed into which all new ideas and
> ways of thinking must be fit.
> 
> Marx, Freud, and Nietzche, among others, taught us to
> be "suspicious" of certain unconscious motives that
> may reside in the religious impulse. Those
> "suspicions" must be dealt with, but I dont think they
> eliminate the need to seriously consider certain
> spiritual questions.
> 
> I am also down with you when you talk about the
> homogenizing affect of capitalism on culture and
> personal liberation.  I also find ridiculous and
> horribly the totalitarian prognosis of "The Soviet New
> Man" or other attempts to create a stereotypic
> proleterian image.  As far as I am considered,
> socialist liberation should not be about turning
> people
> into monotonous worker bees.
> 
> And in regards to Punk, I wonder if you have seen the
> documentary on the Sex Pistols entitled "The Filth and
> The Fury".   This really brought out for me some of
> the really good aspects of SP...fighting thatcherism,
> fighting consumerism, fighting conformism and refusing
> to be coopted by the record industry...as well as
> doing stuff like giving Xmas parties for children of
> striking workers.
> 
> Thomas Seay
> 
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