Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:19:38 +0200
From: Ilan Shalif <gshalif-AT-netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: AUT: petty anarchist marxist squabbling


Hi People

Sean Fenley wrote:

> >
> > i'm a marxist mostly because i share many
> > presuppositions with marx.
> >
> commie00,
> it's interesting i also became interested in marxism
> while previously calling myself an anarchist...

<snip>
I also did a long voyage from the day I presented at a
school 10th year Stalin's "Dialectic Materialism and Historic Materialism"
I liked in the way the less elitist version of Mao... then I started to think for
myself and adopted the Libertarian communism/marxism version
developed in the 60s by the group I joined, under the influence of the council
communism, workers opposition and other anti-vanguardist-elitst-authoritarian
marxists.

> "the catastrophe called john zerzan" or
> some such thing (let you know when it's done)...

At least it did not do serious physical harm yet.

>  but anyway one other thing i want to
> mention is that i recently saw a speaker from the
> institute for social ecology and she spoke about
> autonomism for about 25% to half of her lecture!

commie00,

> which is why the most interesting thing in
> the anarchist scene going today is the platformist
> stuff, which dates back
> to the 1920s.

Well, we all use the Arabic 1 to 9 with 0 as bonus for hundreds of years.
And just to remind you - they call their most important document:
The organizational platform of the libertarian communists.

> and most platformists i know use mostly ideas they have
> dirived from recent left-commie / autonomist  scources to update platformist
> theoretical behaviour.
>
There is no "theoretical behavior".... just some chatter boxes who invest
most of their time on words.

It is like the taming of fire for human use - once you discovered it
the rest is technicals. The analizes of modern development are
important for developing common strategy and tactic

Of course all libertarian communists are on the same road... just
some of them prefer other kinds of political friends over other libertarian
communists.

> i think there is no need to separate anarchism from some
> of the more libertarian strains of marxism and i hope
> this practice stops...

The people who want to separate it are usually those whose libertarian
inclination or communist ones are weak.

It is just amazing how some people talk too much about old or late
scholars instead of presenting the opinions without citation of
scriptures.

The holding tight of the old books is smelling from looking for authority.
Ilan



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