From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
Subject: Re: spontineity... Re: AUT: marxism vs. leninism
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:09:11 -0500


Marx did not simply focus on the working class.  Marx thought that the
working class was in a position to build a human world, what Marx calls in
Vol.3 of Capital, a world worthy of human beings (that's a slight
paraphrase.)  In an inhuman world, the exploiters do not find themselves in
the position to play the role of destroying the inhumanity they feed on and
exist through.

Religion is a false universalism in part because it claims us all as
Children of God (of course, every religion seems to pose every other
religion as impure or at least insufficient to lead everyone to divine
grace), which just covers for exploitation and alienated social relations.

Anyway, the more important point is Marx's discussion of religion in
relation to his materialism:  the point is not to show that religion is
false, but to show how religion arises from a particular society (again,
very much a paraphrase.)

Cheers,
Chris
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From: "Sharon Vance" <canito3-AT-earthlink.net>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: spontineity... Re: AUT: marxism vs. leninism


>
>
>  So
> > what is left then of culture, other than certain local tastes and
customs?
> > Which is not quite the same thing, I would say.
> >
> > Tahir
> >
>
> That is the crucial question, what IS left of culture? And who is to say
> what culture will be the universal culture, what language, what
philosophy?
> Who is going to determine what is the universal and what is the
particular?
>
> Even Judaism has a claim to universal validity, as does Islam and
> Christianity. In fact when it comes to universalism, religions that claim
to
> have as their aims the 'redemption' of humanity are more universal than
> communism, with its exclusive focus on the working class.
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
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