Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 09:41:13 -0700
From: Michael Pugliese <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: saaataaaaaaan!! (reply to chris, re: religion)


   A major part of Leszek Kolakowski's critique of what he sees as Marx'
Promethean eschatology in his 3 vols., "Main Currents of Marxism, " Oxford
Univ. Press, makes a good reference point, in this common critique (almost
all that make it are Cold War Liberals, which is not where Sharon is coming
from!) of Marxism as being an unconscious secular echo of Judeo-Christian
messianism.

... a Heidegger, 1979; - Leszek Kolakowski, Ernst Bloch - der Marxismus als
... 83ff, 333ff.;
- Fred Dallmayr, Marxism and eschatology. Bloch's Principle of hope ...
www.bautz.de/bbkl/b/Bloch.shtml
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=Kolakowski+Marxism+eschatol
ogy
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=Kolakowski+Marxism+Religion
D. (1953). A Marxist revisionist, Kolakowski left Poland shortly after his
... Humanism
(1968), Main Currents of Marxism (3 vol., tr. 1978), and Religion (1982).
...
www.bartleby.com/65/ko/Kolakows.html

Michael Pugliese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Vance" <canito3-AT-earthlink.net>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: saaataaaaaaan!! (reply to chris, re: religion)


>
>
> > From: cwright <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
> > Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:51:15 -0500
> > To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > Subject: AUT: Re: saaataaaaaaan!! (reply to chris, re: religion)
> >
> > Anyway, the overall problem is NOT to condemn religion as false, as I
said,
> > but to understand how any particular religion develops from a particular
set
> > of social relations.  That is the first point.
> I agree with this.
>
> >
> > Second, Marxism in no way qualifies as a religion based on appeals to
> > Universalism, IMO.  To say that is to misunderstand everything essential
to
> > Marx and to pour some very thin gruel for the mind.
>
> I know you weren't responding to me, but I would like your response to
some
> of the other parallels I drew up. A rejection of the status quo, and
program
> for creating a society that is not based on exploitation ( I would call
this
> a kind of idealism and messianism although I know you would not accept
such
> a definition), a rejection of materialism, a condemnation of current
society
> etc.
> Sharon
>
>
>
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