From: "michael pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Re: AUT: Argentine take on Hardt-Negri
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:22:08 -0700



      George Katsiaficas book, newer than the South End Press
book of his from the 90's, just saw yesterday. Title I think
is, The Subversion of Autonomy, " or something close. Reviews
the history and theory of Autonomia in Italy. Also K. edited
a very new collection on the Black Panther Party. Michael Pugliese
>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3-AT-panix.com>
>To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Date: 7/10/01 11:51:01 AM
>

>>If someone could explain this to me, I would
>>appreciate it.  Let's just say that I am bewildered by
>>H&N's reasoning...however I am open to further
>>explanation of their point.
>>
>>Thomas
>
>I think part of the problem is a kind of Eurocentrism. The counter-culture
>which provides a kind of institutional substratum for Deleuze,
Guattari,
>Negri, Foucault and Hardt was very much a phenomenon of the
imperialist
>nations. In the 1960s, most college-aged youth in the USA were
not off
>joining Marxist parties and organizing antiwar demonstrations.
They were
>smoking pot, listening to Janis Joplin and fucking their brains
out. This
>latter group seems to be far more important to the postmodernist
left than
>the stodgy old leftists who did manage, however, to attract
the attention
>of the FBI.
>
>But if you look at Third World countries, especially in Latin
America, this
>was hardly a factor. No wonder in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina
college
>students had to deal with death squads, economic insecurity,
etc. In
>conditions such as these, it is hard to con yourself into believing
that
>freedom is listening to the Grateful Dead while getting stoned.
>
>Some leftists tried to bridge the gap, especially the Yippies.
>Interestingly enough, Abby Hoffman put all this nonsense behind
him when he
>resurfaced in the 1980s and ended up taking people to Nicaragua
just like I
>did. It is really unfortunate that psychological problems led
him to commit
>suicide. Jerry Rubin is far more typical. He figured out that
"rebellion"
>is highly marketable and sold out to a high price to corporations
who
>needed a "transgressive" image. It is the same career path that
Madonna,
>darling of the pomos, shrewdly carved out for herself a while
later.
>
>Hoffman and Rubin once debated Fred Halstead at a forum my group
sponsored
>in 1971. They were accompanied by two or three women wearing
outfits that
>you might see in a Playboy club. It was meant to show their
"hipness". This
>was before woman's liberation took aim at this kind of bullshit.
I guess
>its a sign of the "retro" nature of Italian autonomism that
they ran a porn
>star for basically the same reason 15 years later.
>
>Louis Proyect
>Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
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>
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