Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:32:29 -0700
From: Michael Pugliese <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
Subject: AUT: Re: Serbian Nazis


  Make that 200,000 dead in the Bosnian conflict. Not 2 million. Anger at
the keyboard made me add a zero!

M.P.
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:28 PM
Subject: Fw: Serbian Nazis


> >   Obraz. Who make no bones of it...And on Seselj et. al.
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=Serb+Radical+Party+seselj
> > The Radical Right in Yugoslavia: Srpska Radikalna Stranka ( ...
> > ... Logo English name Serb Radical Party Party leader Vojislav Seselj
> > (resigned on
> > Sept. 25, 2000, after the weak performance of the SRS in the
presidential
> > ...
> > www.users.belgacom.net/radicalright/yugosl.htm
> > ... in the Niksic brigade, in agreement with Dr. Vojislav Seselj he took
> > over the organization
> > of the Serb Radical Party in Srpska. In March 1993, at the Serb ...
> > www.cdsp.neu.edu/info/students/marko/velsrb/velsrb1.html
> > ... TRYING TO DO? GUY DINMORE UNEARTHS A RADICAL SERB DOCUMENT, Vojislav
> > Seselj - popular
> > but out of office when his party published the 'Kosovo Solution' in
August
> > ...
> > www.megastories.com/kosovo/plan/radical.htm
> > White Eagles Serbian Radical Party [SRS]
> > (White Eagles were a particularly vicious, paramilitary formation
deployed
> > in the Bosnian conflict [from '92-'95 200,000dead) and the rump
Republica
> > Srpska of psychiatrist/poet of the
> >  the wild hairstyle, Dr. Radovan Karazdic. M.P.)
> > .. war in Bosnian. Serbian Radical
> > Party [SRS] Chairman Vojislav Seselj [who was appointed ...
> > www.fas.org/irp/world/para/white_eagles.htm
> > ... of Socialist People’s Party Momir Bulatovic reached with Vojislav
> Seselj
> > from Serb
> > Radical Party and Mira Markovic, President of Yugoslav Left
> > (party of the "Red Bourgeoisie" leaders profitted massively from
skimming
> > off profits from de-nationalized state property during the Miklosevic
> yrs.)
> > on forming of a ...
> > www.medijaklub.cg.yu/eng/news/archive/2000/april/07index.htm
> >
> > Michael Pugliese
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
> > > To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; "lbo"
> > <lbo-talk-AT-lists.panix.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists
> > >
> > >
> > > >    The cjb.net domain hosts these Serbian skinhead fascists. The
> > American
> > > > Front post from one of the Third Position lists I lurk on mentions
> one.
> > > >   I have a hunch that those BBC pix, had some cadre of the Serbian
> > Radical
> > > > Party of V. Seselj, a coalition partner and para-military adjunct of
> > > > Milosevic, Mladic and Karazdic in Bosnia and the rump Republica
> > Srpspska,
> > > in
> > > > their killing sprees.
> > > >   And this group called Obraz, (Dignity), see this from the SF
> > Chronicle.
> > > > Michael Pugliese
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/04/18
> > > > /MN152779.DTL
> > > >
> > > > Racism defies Serbian democracy
> > > > Violence grows despite change in leadership
> > > > Joshua Kucera, Chronicle Foreign Service
> > > > Wednesday, April 18, 2001
> > > > ©2001 San Francisco Chronicle
> > > >
> > > > Belgrade, Yugoslavia -- Despite its reputation as a hotbed of
> > nationalism,
> > > > Serbia has not been known for racism and intolerance of the sort
that
> > has
> > > > plagued neighbors like Croatia, Hungary and Germany.
> > > >
> > > > But recent incidents of skinhead-style violence and intimidation
> suggest
> > > > that an organized, extreme right-wing movement may be emerging.
> > > >
> > > > Organizations that document racist incidents have noticed a rise in
> the
> > > past
> > > > few months in attacks against Roma, also known as Gypsies, and
ethnic
> > > > Albanians.
> > > >
> > > > And within the space of a few days, stickers with swastikas were
> placed
> > at
> > > > Belgrade's Jewish cemetery, a synagogue and an art gallery housing a
> > photo
> > > > exhibition about Roma. In northern Serbia, vandals broke a plaque
> > > > commemorating the site of the former synagogue in Zrenjanin and
> painted
> > a
> > > > swastika on a similar plaque in Kikinda.
> > > >
> > > > "In the last two to three months, there has been some sort of
> > > > synchronization of these actions and that's what's really
dangerous,"
> > said
> > > > Igor Olujic, a lawyer at the Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade,
who
> > has
> > > > been documenting the incidents.
> > > >
> > > > "It's not open violence, but I'm afraid it could be the beginning of
a
> > > neo-
> > > > Nazi movement," he added.
> > > >
> > > > The incidents have occurred against the disturbing backdrop of the
> rise
> > of
> > > > Obraz (Dignity), a group of hard-core nationalists that says it has
> more
> > > > than 20,000 members.
> > > >
> > > > Obraz says it has no connection with the attacks or the stickers,
but
> > its
> > > > rhetoric -- including a Web page called Letter to Our Enemies that
> rails
> > > > against Jews, gays, Croats, Albanians and several other groups -- is
> > seen
> > > as
> > > > the intellectual support for racist violence.
> > > >
> > > > "It's a racist group, no doubt about it," said Olujic, adding that
> Obraz
> > > may
> > > > be vulnerable to prosecution under Serbia's law against inciting
> racial
> > > > hatred.
> > > >
> > > > "There always was a latent anti-Semitism, but never as blatant as
> this,"
> > > > said Aca Singer, president of the Federation of Jewish Communities
in
> > > > Yugoslavia.
> > > >
> > > > Olujic remembers seeing skinheads as he grew up in Belgrade in the
> > 1980s.
> > > > "They were racists," he said, "but didn't do much except sit outside
> and
> > > > drink beer in their military pants and Spitfire jackets."
> > > >
> > > > The 1990s, however, brought in a new generation that grew up awash
in
> > > images
> > > > of war and nationalist rhetoric orchestrated by former President
> > Slobodan
> > > > Milosevic. "These kinds of ideas have had an effect on young
people,"
> > > Olujic
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > The miserable economic situation brought about by sanctions, ruinous
> > > central
> > > > planning and the 1999 NATO bombing have left many young people
feeling
> > > > hopeless. The inability to travel abroad has narrowed their
> > perspectives,
> > > > and the Internet has helped them discover hate groups in other
> > countries.
> > > >
> > > > "Because they don't have anything else, they start to believe in
> this,"
> > > > Olujic said. "They have a very bad economic situation and they don't
> > know
> > > > who is to blame, so they tell themselves that it's the Roma, the
Jews,
> > the
> > > > Croats or the Albanians."
> > > >
> > > > In Belgrade early last month, a group of about 15 skinheads attacked
a
> > > tram
> > > > with several Roma families in it, hitting them with bottles and
rocks
> > and
> > > > singing anti-Roma songs.
> > > >
> > > > A few days later, a group of three Serbians broke the window of a
> pastry
> > > > shop owned by ethnic Albanians in a northern Serbian town and then
> > > attacked
> > > > the owner and his son, shouting "What are you Shiptars doing in
Kosovo
> > and
> > > > Macedonia killing?" (Shiptar is a derogatory word for Albanians.)
> > > >
> > > > 'FREEDOM TO ATTACK'
> > > >
> > > > Ironically, the incidents are becoming more prominent just as the
new
> > > > democratic government led by President Vojislav Kostunica has come
to
> > > power.
> > > >
> > > > "Maybe people think they received their freedom to attack others,"
> said
> > > > Singer of the Jewish Federation.
> > > >
> > > > Obraz has deliberately increased its presence since the new
government
> > > took
> > > > over, said the group's president, Nebojsa Krstic.
> > > >
> > > > Although Krstic said he voted for Kostunica -- a strong
nationalist --
> > he
> > > > strongly objects to more liberal elements of the ruling coalition,
> whom
> > he
> > > > calls false patriots. He said Obraz will eventually field its own
> > > candidates
> > > > for political office, and he considers Obraz an ideological kin to
> > > Britain's
> > > > Conservative Party.
> > > >
> > > > The group has established a foothold at Belgrade University, where
> > > > professors and students have become members, and Obraz stickers are
a
> > > common
> > > > sight.
> > > >
> > > > "We just like our people and our country. We don't hate anybody,"
said
> > one
> > > > student, 22-year-old Bojan Vicentic. "But we want to defend
ourselves
> if
> > > we
> > > > are in danger."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BUILDING PARANOIA
> > > > Throughout the 1990s, Milosevic cultivated Serbians' paranoia that
the
> > > > entire world was arrayed against them, creating conditions for
racist
> > > groups
> > > > to take root, said Dragan Popadic, a professor of social psychology
at
> > > > Belgrade University.
> > > >
> > > > "The main problem is not the frequency of these events but the
> > > indifference
> > > > of society toward them," he said. "After all these wars, we were
> > > > desensitized to hate speech, and now we can't recognize it."
> > > >
> > > > Popadic said the Kostunica administration, which contains many
strong
> > > > nationalists, has abetted the trend by not making clear that an
> > acceptable
> > > > form of patriotism does not include attacks on others.
> > > >
> > > > "I don't think (members of the government) perceive these (racist)
> ideas
> > > as
> > > > their own, but they think it's not too important and . . . don't see
> it
> > as
> > > > being as dangerous as they should," he said.
> > > >
> > > > Singer said he has noticed some small changes since Kostunica took
> over.
> > > > During the last decade, Singer met several times with Milosevic, who
> > > > promised to do what he could to stop sporadic anti-Semitic incidents
> but
> > > > never publicly denounced them.
> > > >
> > > > But after the recent anti-Semitic stickers were discovered,
Kostunica
> > > > condemned the actions and apologized on behalf of the Serbian
people.
> > > >
> > > > 'REMNANT OF A REMNANT'
> > > >
> > > > Serbia's Jews are now just "a remnant of a remnant," those left over
> > after
> > > > the Holocaust and a mass migration to Israel, Singer said.
> > > >
> > > > "For the moment, I don't see any danger for the few thousand Jews
> living
> > > > here. But if this continues, we don't know what will happen."
> > > >
> > > > Yugoslavia's police and judicial system are slowly learning to
> recognize
> > > and
> > > > prosecute racist crimes, Olujic said. In the southern city of Nis,
two
> > > > skinhead Serbians are being tried in the attack on a Roma teenager.
> For
> > > the
> > > > first time in Yugoslav legal history, the two are being prosecuted
> under
> > > the
> > > > law against inciting racial hatred.
> > > >
> > > > Olujic said most young people who adopt the skinhead pose do so
> because
> > it
> > > > is fashionable, and they will be scared off if they think they could
> go
> > to
> > > > jail. But if the state and society continue to turn a blind eye to
> > racism,
> > > > he said, a movement similar to that in eastern Germany could arise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ©2001 San Francisco Chronicle   Page A - 12
> > > >
> > > > >Message: 1
> > > > >   Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:59:40 -0000
> > > > >   From: americanfront-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > >Subject: Nathan Pett
> > > > >
> > > > >This is to inform all Hammerskins of this snitch and traitor Nathan
> > > > >Zorn Pett of Wot. He has snitched off at least two individuals. One
> > > > >being Michael Boyd of texas in 1996 and the second Hendik MOebus of
> > > > >Germany who came to live with him in Spokane last year. Once they
had
> > > > >a dispute and Hendrik moved out to WV Nate decided to send the Us
> > > > >Marshalls Hendrik's way. Funny how the warrant was issued in
Spokane
> > > > >as it was issued from Louisiana where Pett resided at the time.
This
> > > > >shitsandwitch claimed and is claiming to have ties with CHS and
NHS.
> > > > >a For the sake of my white brothers I must warn all involved. All
> > > > >snitches should be booted ** *** *****...**** *** **** ** ********
If
> > > > >he thinks a month in a coma is something
> > > > >**********************************I am currently to far away to
carry
> > > > >out *********************Many of my fellow brothers
> > > > >*********************and I suggest unless you want to be the
> > > > >*************************that all in assocaition disassocaite
> > > > >immediately. To read more about these incidences go to the
> > > > >Nationalist Observer site or check out
> > > > >www.paganfront.org****************************I felt that this was
> > > > >important to bring to everyones attention cause there is nothing
> > > > >lower than a snitching race traitor. He baragined with the cop
> > > > >otherwise he would have went down for harboring an internatinal
> > > > >fugitive. Originally he had helped Hendrik, but as stated when the
> > > > >difference of opinion came about so did other treacherous things
> > > > >transpire. Look at the facts as I have seen 30 pages of documented
> > > > >proof which is as legitimate as it gets. For all Patriots
interested
> > > > >in ********** ************************he can be found at: 8451
> > > > >Wallbridge
> > > > >Clayton, Wa 99110
> > > > >USA
> > > > >************************By the way RAC bands and Hammerskin bands
> > > > >should check out this site at:www.hakenkreuz88.cjb.net and click on
> > > > >the Iron Eagle Division link as this label is looking for bands to
> > > > >put on their "Smashing the Traitors" compilation featuring Nate
Zorn
> > > > >Pett's face on the cover being shot by SS soldiers.. The
compilation
> > > > >is a strong in your face attack on race traitors and snitches.. All
> > > > >interested parties contact Iron Eagle Division at:
> > > > >Herrvautrin-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > >Thank you my Aryan brothers and sisters...SIEG HEIL!!!!!88
> > > > >HAMMERS HIGH
> > > > >
> > > > >NOTE FROM ADMINISTRATORS:
> > > > >WHILE SENTIMENTS LIKE THIS ARE APPRECIATED,I AM REMINDING ALL TO
> > > > >PLEASE POST RESPONSIBLY.HSN DOES NOT ALLOW THE POSTING OF ANY
ILLEGAL
> > > > >ACTS,THREATS,ETC,ETC,ON THIS BOARD.PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS
A
> > > > >MONITORED PUBLIC FORUM. THANKS FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
> > > > >AMY
> > > > >
> > > > >[This message has been edited by dixiechs88 (edited 05-04-2001).]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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