File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0107, message 268


Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:43:32 -0700
From: Michael Pugliese <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [marxist] AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists


   Feel free, of coarse, to directly engage, with any and all! The title of
the thread started with Doug Henwood from lbo-talk.
Michael Pugliese, promiscous forwarder ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Jovanovic" <peterzoran-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [marxist] AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists


> hi all
>
> i'm having a bit of trouble following what's going on here but i gather
> michael pugliese is forwarding stuff from this list to other lists and
then
> forwarding their replies to this list.
>
> > > Your correspondent seems to be saying that the overthrow of the
> > > Milosevic regime did not destroy or seriously weaken the fascist
> > > element in Serbian politics. That's probably because the fascist
> > > element in Serbia is AUTONOMOUS of the SPS.
>
> i take it this brian chap is referring to me. and he is right i don't
think
> the SPS is fascist. more broadly i don't think it's terribly useful to
> describe any government except the nazi german and fascist italian one as
> fascist. and even then the distinguishing feature of fascist governments
is
> not their totalitarian behaviour which has been mirrored by many
'socialist'
> and 'democratic' capitalist states. rather it is how they got into power,
> namely through a mass movement separate from capital as such but acting in
> the interest of capital.
>
> > > PS, here's a recent statement from the SPS, the so-called fascists.
>
> i never called the SPS fascists except perhaps by mistake.
>
> > > Seems like uniting against NATO is the key to progressive politics in
>
> > > the Balkans today.
>
> i couldn't give a fuck about progressive politics, progressives are just
> another capitalist faction. however a movement against the NATO occupation
> of Bosnia and Kosovo would probably offer the best chance of undoing some
of
> the ethnic hatred but unfortunately i couldn't see it coming too soon
given
> recent nationalist riots by Bosnian Serbs and Croats and the war in
> Macedonia.
>
> > > MESSAGE TO THE ANTI-NATO RALLY IN THESSALONIKI
> > > Dear comrades,
> > >
> > > The Socialist Party of Serbia is determined to lead the just
> snip
>
> > > Head Committee of the Socialist Party of Serbia
>
> any struggle that accepts the SPS as an ally is doomed.
>
> to John: yes i was mistaken about the gay rights march in belgrade.
>
> peter
>
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