Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:10:05 -0700
From: Michael Pugliese <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: :Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb


   This sounds too "structural-functionalist" for me. (Not that my
generation that studied sociology had to slog through Talcott Parsons. I'll
take my Parsons through the wickedly funny translation of C.W. Mills in,
"The Sociological Imagination, " and, "The Coming Crisis of Western
Sociology, " by Alvin Gouldner. BTW, Gouldner piece, "Stalinism as a Form of
Internal Colonialism, " (relying on memory of title) might interest y'all
aut-op-syians.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Stalinism+Internal+Colonialism+Gouldner+

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/telospress/contents34.html
Plus this, a revision (?) of a chapter of _Social Amnesia_ by Russell
Jacoby. Russell Jacoby: The Politics of Objectivity: Notes on the U.S. Left
Michael Pugliese


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From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fw:Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing
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   This misses an important point.  Homosexuality poses a threat to the
family,
which happens to be the site of the reproduction of labor power.  Without
more people reproducing, capital has fewer workers, less labor market
pressure, fewer soldiers, etc.  Homosexuality is an affront to the bourgeois
family, something that will continue to be the case as long as reproduction
of labor power has to take the form of giving birth.

Cheers,
Chris
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From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:10 PM
Subject: Fw:Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb
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> http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/current/index.html
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:17:48 -0400
> From: Archer.Todd-AT-ic.gc.ca
> Subject: Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb
> nationalists)
>
> Mike's friend Good Soldier Svejk said:
>
> >but must admit to
> >considerable caution, because I cannot really comprehend "homophobia"
(foul
> >word - stigmatises the mad) as an intrinsic part of capitalism.
>
> Maybe it has something to do with a structural recognition and acceptance
of
> "popular homophobic culture" in order to foster harmony within the system
so
> it can keep on making money with no slow-downs due to outbreaks of
anti-gay
> unrest.  Much like the Armed Forces desire to keep a "tight ship" so the
end
> job gets done that much more quickly and efficiently, capitalist
enterprises
> seek to maintain a similar discipline to facilitate money-making for the
> owner.  Any disruption, such as that caused by anti-gay agitation, slows
> down the whole works.  It's just much easier to "smooth things over" by
> getting rid of then replacing the minority who "caused" the disturbance,
> than "wasting" more time and money questioning and firing even more
people.
>
> In the really long-term view (i.e. centuries) in "Western" countries,
things
> have been getting better for LGBTs (same goes for the proles), and
societies
> have been getting more "open", so the capitalist doesn't have to worry
quite
> so much about "anti-gay slowdowns" and so can feel comfortable not
worrying
> about employees sexual backgrounds.
>
> How that sound for a quick-and-dirty hypothesis, Mike?  Let your friend
see
> it.
>
> Todd
>
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