From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net> Subject: Re: :Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:24:49 -0500 p.s., I am not saying you are wrong, but that not developing the point kills discussion. I like to be challenged seriously because then I learn something, and hopefully so does everyone else. If you want discussion and to share ideas, then make the effort. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net> To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; "lbo" <lbo-talk-AT-lists.panix.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: Re: :Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists) > This sounds too "structural-functionalist" for me. (Not that my > generation that studied sociology had to slog through Talcott Parsons. I'll > take my Parsons through the wickedly funny translation of C.W. Mills in, > "The Sociological Imagination, " and, "The Coming Crisis of Western > Sociology, " by Alvin Gouldner. BTW, Gouldner piece, "Stalinism as a Form of > Internal Colonialism, " (relying on memory of title) might interest y'all > aut-op-syians. > http://www.google.com/search?q=Stalinism+Internal+Colonialism+Gouldner+ > > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/telospress/contents34.html > Plus this, a revision (?) of a chapter of _Social Amnesia_ by Russell > Jacoby. Russell Jacoby: The Politics of Objectivity: Notes on the U.S. Left > Michael Pugliese > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net> > To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: Fw:Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing > Serb na tionalists) > > This misses an important point. Homosexuality poses a threat to the > family, > which happens to be the site of the reproduction of labor power. Without > more people reproducing, capital has fewer workers, less labor market > pressure, fewer soldiers, etc. Homosexuality is an affront to the bourgeois > family, something that will continue to be the case as long as reproduction > of labor power has to take the form of giving birth. > > Cheers, > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net> > To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: Fw:Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb > na tionalists) > > > > http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/current/index.html > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:17:48 -0400 > > From: Archer.Todd-AT-ic.gc.ca > > Subject: Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb > > nationalists) > > > > Mike's friend Good Soldier Svejk said: > > > > >but must admit to > > >considerable caution, because I cannot really comprehend "homophobia" > (foul > > >word - stigmatises the mad) as an intrinsic part of capitalism. > > > > Maybe it has something to do with a structural recognition and acceptance > of > > "popular homophobic culture" in order to foster harmony within the system > so > > it can keep on making money with no slow-downs due to outbreaks of > anti-gay > > unrest. Much like the Armed Forces desire to keep a "tight ship" so the > end > > job gets done that much more quickly and efficiently, capitalist > enterprises > > seek to maintain a similar discipline to facilitate money-making for the > > owner. Any disruption, such as that caused by anti-gay agitation, slows > > down the whole works. It's just much easier to "smooth things over" by > > getting rid of then replacing the minority who "caused" the disturbance, > > than "wasting" more time and money questioning and firing even more > people. > > > > In the really long-term view (i.e. centuries) in "Western" countries, > things > > have been getting better for LGBTs (same goes for the proles), and > societies > > have been getting more "open", so the capitalist doesn't have to worry > quite > > so much about "anti-gay slowdowns" and so can feel comfortable not > worrying > > about employees sexual backgrounds. > > > > How that sound for a quick-and-dirty hypothesis, Mike? Let your friend > see > > it. > > > > Todd > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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