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From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
Subject: Re: :Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb nationalists)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:24:49 -0500


p.s., I am not saying you are wrong, but that not developing the point kills
discussion.  I like to be challenged seriously because then I learn
something, and hopefully so does everyone else.  If you want discussion and
to share ideas, then make the effort.

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; "lbo" <lbo-talk-AT-lists.panix.com>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: :Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb
nationalists)


>    This sounds too "structural-functionalist" for me. (Not that my
> generation that studied sociology had to slog through Talcott Parsons.
I'll
> take my Parsons through the wickedly funny translation of C.W. Mills in,
> "The Sociological Imagination, " and, "The Coming Crisis of Western
> Sociology, " by Alvin Gouldner. BTW, Gouldner piece, "Stalinism as a Form
of
> Internal Colonialism, " (relying on memory of title) might interest y'all
> aut-op-syians.
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Stalinism+Internal+Colonialism+Gouldner+
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/biz/telospress/contents34.html
> Plus this, a revision (?) of a chapter of _Social Amnesia_ by Russell
> Jacoby. Russell Jacoby: The Politics of Objectivity: Notes on the U.S.
Left
> Michael Pugliese
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
> To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw:Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing
> Serb na tionalists)
>
>    This misses an important point.  Homosexuality poses a threat to the
> family,
> which happens to be the site of the reproduction of labor power.  Without
> more people reproducing, capital has fewer workers, less labor market
> pressure, fewer soldiers, etc.  Homosexuality is an affront to the
bourgeois
> family, something that will continue to be the case as long as
reproduction
> of labor power has to take the form of giving birth.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian-AT-pacbell.net>
> To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:10 PM
> Subject: Fw:Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb
> na tionalists)
>
>
> > http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/current/index.html
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:17:48 -0400
> > From: Archer.Todd-AT-ic.gc.ca
> > Subject: Homophobia and Capitalism (was:Fw:Re: AUT: Re:gay-bashing Serb
> > nationalists)
> >
> > Mike's friend Good Soldier Svejk said:
> >
> > >but must admit to
> > >considerable caution, because I cannot really comprehend "homophobia"
> (foul
> > >word - stigmatises the mad) as an intrinsic part of capitalism.
> >
> > Maybe it has something to do with a structural recognition and
acceptance
> of
> > "popular homophobic culture" in order to foster harmony within the
system
> so
> > it can keep on making money with no slow-downs due to outbreaks of
> anti-gay
> > unrest.  Much like the Armed Forces desire to keep a "tight ship" so the
> end
> > job gets done that much more quickly and efficiently, capitalist
> enterprises
> > seek to maintain a similar discipline to facilitate money-making for the
> > owner.  Any disruption, such as that caused by anti-gay agitation, slows
> > down the whole works.  It's just much easier to "smooth things over" by
> > getting rid of then replacing the minority who "caused" the disturbance,
> > than "wasting" more time and money questioning and firing even more
> people.
> >
> > In the really long-term view (i.e. centuries) in "Western" countries,
> things
> > have been getting better for LGBTs (same goes for the proles), and
> societies
> > have been getting more "open", so the capitalist doesn't have to worry
> quite
> > so much about "anti-gay slowdowns" and so can feel comfortable not
> worrying
> > about employees sexual backgrounds.
> >
> > How that sound for a quick-and-dirty hypothesis, Mike?  Let your friend
> see
> > it.
> >
> > Todd
> >
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