File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0107, message 382


Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:51:43 -0400
From: Alessandro Coricelli <alessandro.coricelli-AT-rcn.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Black Bloc attacks Cobas, Rete Lilliput?



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On Sunday, July 22, 2001, at 03:36 AM, Franco Barchiesi wrote:

[...]

> I must say, I am quite skeptical of this kind of analogies in general, 
> especially considering the totally changed social context and nature of 
> the movement (I am referring mainly to the social centres) now compared 
> with 25 years ago. I think that if a comparison can be done, this 
> refers to the pursuit of political goals through a strategy of 
> confrontation that does not eschews physical contact with the enemy 
> (and the 'white overalls' have never eschewed it), but also privileges 
> the need to build and consolidate a broader movement over the 
> fetishization of the means employed to that end. While this element is 
> in common between the autonomia then and the social centres now (with 
> all the huge differences in strategies and discourse between the two), 
> seeing the BB in action in Genoa I just couldn't notice anything like 
> this emerging on their side. They have, instead, precisely adopted a 
> sort of fetishist approach to direct action that not only disregarded 
> the real radicalism expressed by the demos (radicalism that means much 
> more than just smashing windows in the back rows of a march, while 
> others are being beaten in your place), but that actually prevented 
> such a radicalism from fully developing, allowing the enemy a strategic 
> advantage (when the black blockers did not attack us themselves). It is 
> hard to find analogies of this kind in the past (successful) actions of 
> the Italian revolutionary movement.

I agree entirely with your post. If it is difficult to compare the 
two(historically put) experiences it is also more than true that even in 
the most "violent" or "dangerous" situations, Potere Operaio(first) and 
Autonomia(later) have never been "parasite" of/over the movement(s).
As it appears to be the case for the BB. Now, the term "fascist" could 
be a good and useful approximation  for the parasiticism that they have 
showed lately.

ciao,
alessandro

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On Sunday, July 22, 2001, at 03:36 AM, Franco Barchiesi wrote:


[...]

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</color><excerpt>I must say, I am quite skeptical of this kind of
analogies in general, especially considering the totally changed
social context and nature of the movement (I am referring mainly to
the social centres) now compared with 25 years ago. I think that if a
comparison can be done, this refers to the pursuit of political goals
through a strategy of confrontation that does not eschews physical
contact with the enemy (and the 'white overalls' have never eschewed
it), but also privileges the need to build and consolidate a broader
movement over the fetishization of the means employed to that end.
While this element is in common between the autonomia then and the
social centres now (with all the huge differences in strategies and
discourse between the two), seeing the BB in action in Genoa I just
couldn't notice anything like this emerging on their side. They have,
instead, precisely adopted a sort of fetishist approach to direct
action that not only disregarded the real radicalism expressed by the
demos (radicalism that means much more than just smashing windows in
the back rows of a march, while others are being beaten in your
place), but that actually prevented such a radicalism from fully
developing, allowing the enemy a strategic advantage (when the black
blockers did not attack us themselves). It is hard to find analogies
of this kind in the past (successful) actions of the Italian
revolutionary movement. 

</excerpt>

I agree entirely with your post. If it is difficult to compare the
two(historically put) experiences it is also more than true that even
in the most "violent" or "dangerous" situations, Potere Operaio(first)
and Autonomia(later) have never been "parasite" of/over the
movement(s).

As it appears to be the case for the BB. Now, the term "fascist" could
be a good and useful approximation  for the parasiticism that they
have showed lately.<color><param>0000,0000,DEB7</param>

</color>

ciao,

alessandro


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