File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0107, message 449


Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Seay <entheogens-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Violence, When to Use it?



> >I agree though with the tactic of trying to advance
> >past the red-zone (in Genoa)...this does raise
> >consciouness. 
> 
> In what way does this raise consciousness, and
> what kind of counsciousness?.

Harald, thanks for answering my email.  You may be
right on this.  I guess, my idea is that it raises
consciousness in that the distance they create between
the protests and the meeting is symbolic of how they
dont really listen to "the people".  Trying to
penetrate that zone might be a way of putting that
"distance" in bold relief.  Of course, maybe that will
not raise anybody's consciousness, in which case, you
are right, it really doesn't serve any purpose.
I would like to hear other people's opinions on this
though.
> 
> If raising counsciousness was what one wanted
> to achieve, marching out to the suburbs/working
> class districts (I am not too sure about social
> geography of Genova) and as far as possible linking
> up
> to local struggles and grievances, would seem a
> far better strategy.


I agree with you that this issue needs to be linked up
to the local manifestations of globalism.  I dont know
if this was tried and/or how practical it would be
under the circumstances.
 
> Complaining about police infiltration, is both naive
> and useless. That is something you have to take
> into account as part of the reality you are
> operating
> within. 

Does this mean I am naive to even raise the issue.  I
am not blaming any group (black bloc etc) for it.
However, it might be a good idea to think about ways
we might prevent it and/or expose it.  Is that really
such a useless or naive endeavor to ponder?


> The thing is that the logic of these sieges are
> bound
> to provoke such police violence, not at least due to
> that strong forces within the police and the state
> obviously wants this to happen. 

What do you suggest we do?

Thomas

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