Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: zhen dai <dai_zhen-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: No one knows?


See below...
--- info <info-AT-j12.org> wrote:
> 

> My response,
> I do believe there are some people who we may call
> insurrectionaries who 
> believe that social revolution will occur when
> struggles become more and 
> more assertive that they result in the collapse of
> law and order. Indeed 
> this view is maintained in the pseudo-Black Block
> statement '"A Communique 
> On Tactics And Organization To The Black Bloc,
> From Within The Black Bloc. (Second Amended
> Addition) *July 2001, From
> Somewhere in The Mid-west": (CTO)
> 
> Things are not as Commie00 suggests: that their
> proposal is about creating 
> a coordinating body based on the
> council-communist model that. At no stage the
> council communist movement 
> suggest that there should be an overground and an
> underground section of 
> the movement. This is Bakuninism, not council
> communism. According to this 
> doctrine rising levels of violence lead to a
> situation where the state has 
> to retreat, meanwhile the insurrectionaries set up
> an underground army 
> fighting a war of attrition. Then come liberated
> areas. This is what the 
> very interesting account of the Weathermen's 'days
> or rage' was all about. 
> Commie00 might get do some knicker twisting about
> whether the heads of such 
> militants are filled with Maoist or anarchist
> dreams, but I can't see why 
> that is so important.
> 
> Such a political viewpoint certainly does, indeed
> constantly imagines the 
> progressive suspension of law. Indeed what is
> anarchism other than the act 
> of imagining the generalised suspension of law.
> 
> Unfortunately this dovetails with a view which
> fetishises the state from a 
> positive angle: fascism. We have heard reports of a)
> fascists posing as 
> Black Blockers, b) police posing as Black Blockers
> or even c) fascists 
> posing as Black Blockers with the collusion of the
> police. We have also 
> heard of police openly taunting their victims with
> pictures of his 
> ugliness, Benito Mussolini.
> 
> Commie00 wrote:
> most anarchists i have talk to about this
> statement have been scratching their heads trying to
> figure out when the
> "black bloc community" came about, and trying to
> figure out why a group of
> anarchists would be such vanguardists, etc.
....


> I have challenged the CTO Communique.
> How many others have. 
> Indeed Commie00 put another Black Block statement up
> on this list, without 
> challenging it. I would rather that all the people
> who are embroiled in the 
> mental dustbin called anarchism would extract their
> heads from the garbage 
> and join with the rest of us in trying to sweep
> aside capitalist social 
> relations.

> Fabian

There is a pretty good critique of the communique you
are talking about in the latest issue of Black Star
North (an excellent anarchist zine from portland ME).
I can't imagine many anarchists take the communique
very seriously, and this is especially true of
insurrectionary anarchists in the US. And I no of no
insurrectionary anarchists in the US that have
suggested an underground army.


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