From: "Peter Jovanovic" <peterzoran-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Violence, When to Use it?
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:53:01 +1000


hi all

Chris wrote:
>Ok, I need more sleep.  I screwed up the date and name (sad as I was 
>working >to bring PGA here to Chicago and am on their list serve!!)

>However, is that really the point??  ;)

no, sorry.

>I make an issue of this exactly because I am knee deep in Leftist denial 
> >land where almost everything I see talks about Seattle as the beginning 
>of >anti-globalization struggles.

i see the same thing with the Trots here, it's all Seattle this, Seattle 
that yet until i told them about the May 98 Geneva protests/riots against 
the second WTO ministerial meeting or J18 they'd never heard of these 
earlier 'anti-globalisation' riots in the west. as for the Zapatistas after 
years of ignoring them the Oz ISO/SWP has just sent their top leader around 
the country on a lecture tour talking about the Zapatistas. i went along for 
a laugh/cry and alongside plenty of basic errors, never heard of the 
encuentros for instance, the commisar trotted out the predictable line that 
the zapatistas have failed because they haven't created a party to lead the 
mexican working class. a local commisar responding to me asked in mock 
despair 'what would autonomism (sic) mean in a maquilidora' unfortunately i 
missed the obvious response that a comrade later pointed out to me, that 
unlike leninism, autonomist marxism was developed in a modern industrialised 
country. as for the other big Oz trot racket, the Democratic Socialist 
Party, mired as they are in cheerleading for any dubious guerilla gang 
around they give more coverage to the FARC than the zapatistas.

>that involves communists basically denying the importance of workers
>struggles in the poorer countries (or ultra-left ideological critiques that 
> >fail to engage with the content of different practices intheir concrete 
> >settings, e.g. the Wildcat US/UK piece on the Zapatistas.)

if you haven't seen it yet try and find the Aufheben article about the 
Zapatistas that was in the 2000 issue of their zine. they criticise the 
ultra-left dismissals of the Zapatistas and try to come to grips with them 
as a real if flawed movement against capital.

peter

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