File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0108, message 137


From: info <info-AT-j12.org>
Subject: AUT: RE: Re: Post-Left Idiocy
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:49:16 +0100




>From: commie00 <commie00-AT-yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: AUT: Re: Post-Left Idiocy
>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:50:43 -0400
>
> > > As for '-AT-narchy after Leftism' as with Jason Quinn and Bob Black (if
>that's what you mean by post-left anarchists, this is just rubbish which
>will do more to provide a breeding ground for right-wing tendencies than
>anything positive
> > > Fabian

> > I would agree with that.  Anarcho-communists are fine, but
> > "post-left" anarchists are much less likely than other types of 
leftists
> > (yes they are still on the left) to actualy come up with anything
> > aplicable to the lives of the poor/lower class.. while at the same time
> > assuming that they know what is best for them. (primitivism,
> > individualism, etc.)
>
>

Simon replied
Bullshit,
  I skim through most of the posts here as I just can't keep up but someone 
pointed out the above statement by Fabian which I think is just nonsense.
I don't think some of you British folks realise to what extent the 
Anarchist
scene/movement/ghetto in the US is tied to the worst aspects of the inane
leftist protest rituals. What the "post-left" critiques have tried to do is 
question the inclination of modern American anarchists to join up with
almost any lame liberal action just because it's an action. You wouldn't
believe how many anarchists here are boosters of reformists groups such as
Global Exchange, just cuz they're doing something. If you questioned some
London anarchos for joining in on an Oxfam charity drive would you think
it's fair to label your questioning as "breeding ground for right-wing
tendencies"?
   I think that this "post-left" questioning has had the opposite effect:
it's pushed some people away from tired liberal roles and into an
examination of how one perpetuates this old world. I've yet to see anyone 
go
"right-wing" because of it.

My response:
I was particularly refering to Bob Black here. Bob Black penned 'Anarchy 
After Leftism' which Jason McQuinn has been involved in publishing and 
promoting. Bob Black has written for the Neo-Nazi 'Journal of Historical 
Review and uses such expressions as 'towel head' to refer to muslims . . .
For myself I found Italian theory and pracrtice of the late seventies very 
useful in criticising this tail ending of the left: e.g. when the Anti Nazi 
League wanted to bring over the Mayor of Bologna who had used troops to 
suppress our comrades there, we made our protests clear. Nevertheless we 
were smeared as fascists. (What the ANL did was wait until some of the 
women amongst our group went to the toilet and then attacked them. We then 
left the meeting room to go to the aid of our comrades). But our criticism 
of the left was that it was the Left wing of capital, i.e. we critcised it 
for not being communist, rather than criticised it for being communist - 
quite an important difference.

Fabian



Fabian





     --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---

   

Driftline Main Page

 

Display software: ArchTracker © Malgosia Askanas, 2000-2005