From: info <info-AT-j12.org> Subject: AUT: RE: Re: Post-Left Idiocy Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:49:16 +0100 >From: commie00 <commie00-AT-yahoo.com> >Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Subject: AUT: Re: Post-Left Idiocy >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:50:43 -0400 > > > > As for '-AT-narchy after Leftism' as with Jason Quinn and Bob Black (if >that's what you mean by post-left anarchists, this is just rubbish which >will do more to provide a breeding ground for right-wing tendencies than >anything positive > > > Fabian > > I would agree with that. Anarcho-communists are fine, but > > "post-left" anarchists are much less likely than other types of leftists > > (yes they are still on the left) to actualy come up with anything > > aplicable to the lives of the poor/lower class.. while at the same time > > assuming that they know what is best for them. (primitivism, > > individualism, etc.) > > Simon replied Bullshit, I skim through most of the posts here as I just can't keep up but someone pointed out the above statement by Fabian which I think is just nonsense. I don't think some of you British folks realise to what extent the Anarchist scene/movement/ghetto in the US is tied to the worst aspects of the inane leftist protest rituals. What the "post-left" critiques have tried to do is question the inclination of modern American anarchists to join up with almost any lame liberal action just because it's an action. You wouldn't believe how many anarchists here are boosters of reformists groups such as Global Exchange, just cuz they're doing something. If you questioned some London anarchos for joining in on an Oxfam charity drive would you think it's fair to label your questioning as "breeding ground for right-wing tendencies"? I think that this "post-left" questioning has had the opposite effect: it's pushed some people away from tired liberal roles and into an examination of how one perpetuates this old world. I've yet to see anyone go "right-wing" because of it. My response: I was particularly refering to Bob Black here. Bob Black penned 'Anarchy After Leftism' which Jason McQuinn has been involved in publishing and promoting. Bob Black has written for the Neo-Nazi 'Journal of Historical Review and uses such expressions as 'towel head' to refer to muslims . . . For myself I found Italian theory and pracrtice of the late seventies very useful in criticising this tail ending of the left: e.g. when the Anti Nazi League wanted to bring over the Mayor of Bologna who had used troops to suppress our comrades there, we made our protests clear. Nevertheless we were smeared as fascists. (What the ANL did was wait until some of the women amongst our group went to the toilet and then attacked them. We then left the meeting room to go to the aid of our comrades). But our criticism of the left was that it was the Left wing of capital, i.e. we critcised it for not being communist, rather than criticised it for being communist - quite an important difference. Fabian Fabian --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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