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From: Matteomandarini-AT-aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:38:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: AUT: Negri and Lenin



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i'm afraid i disagree with your premisses:

negri's de-linking of the subject-object dichotomy of labour and capital is 
not one that isolates the two elements, rather the complete opposite. what he 
argues is that in conditions of the real subsumption of the social by capital 
there is no outside, so that one is always fully within capital. he argues 
that rather than a dualistic ontology one has a univocal immanent ontology 
(this is where the link with spinoza emerges). at that point the question 
becomes one of how can a subject become fully revolutionary from within 
capital, i.e. without pointing to some 'outside' that can be the point of 
leverage for revolutionary subjectivity.

the subject position is anything but 'denigrated', it becomes rather that 
which needs to be constructed from within, and it is done so through an 
exploration of the concept of antagonism, which is no longer one that can be 
simply fixed at the point of the labour vs. capital, but rather it spreads 
everywhere. antagonism is the constitutive element of the ontology that he 
describes, one in which the multitude becomes subject and where capital 
operates as a supervening force which tries to reconstitute subjectivity in a 
manner that tries to segment the constitutivity of the multitudes 
anatgonistic processes.

spinoza is central because his exploration of the ontological totality maps 
the totalisation effected by capital in conditions of real subsumption. 

one thing you are right about i think, is that this does away with the notion 
of fetishism and mystification - mediation. but by doing so, he stresses that 
the crisis, the antagonism becomes more immediate and brutal, it doesn't 
dissolve. it is then a question not of 'illusion' but rather of force, of 
control, of the constituted against the constitutive - and again the link 
with spinoza emerges. it is then a question of practice within particular 
conjunctures, of forces in conflict - for what drives the whole is 
antagonism, for crisis and antagonism spread everywhere....

--part1_5f.190f2fdd.28a389f1_boundary

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i'm afraid i disagree with your premisses:

negri's de-linking of the subject-object dichotomy of labour and capital is
not one that isolates the two elements, rather the complete opposite. what he
argues is that in conditions of the real subsumption of the social by capital
there is no outside, so that one is always fully within capital. he argues
that rather than a dualistic ontology one has a univocal immanent ontology
(this is where the link with spinoza emerges). at that point the question
becomes one of how can a subject become fully revolutionary from within
capital, i.e. without pointing to some 'outside' that can be the point of
leverage for revolutionary subjectivity.

the subject position is anything but 'denigrated', it becomes rather that
which needs to be constructed from within, and it is done so through an
exploration of the concept of antagonism, which is no longer one that can be
simply fixed at the point of the labour vs. capital, but rather it spreads
everywhere. antagonism is the constitutive element of the ontology that he
describes, one in which the multitude becomes subject and where capital
operates as a supervening force which tries to reconstitute subjectivity in a
manner that tries to segment the constitutivity of the multitudes
anatgonistic processes.

spinoza is central because his exploration of the ontological totality maps
the totalisation effected by capital in conditions of real subsumption.

one thing you are right about i think, is that this does away with the notion
of fetishism and mystification - mediation. but by doing so, he stresses that
the crisis, the antagonism becomes more immediate and brutal, it doesn't
dissolve. it is then a question not of 'illusion' but rather of force, of
control, of the constituted against the constitutive - and again the link
with spinoza emerges. it is then a question of practice within particular
conjunctures, of forces in conflict - for what drives the whole is
antagonism, for crisis and antagonism spread everywhere....
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