File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0108, message 294


From: "Peter Jovanovic" <peterzoran-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Fw: [marxist] Limits of workers councils
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:00:51 +1000


hi all

Jamal wrote:

>It attacks councilism & syndicalism based on the childish concept that
>once workers have control of industry they will not go beyond simply
>maintaining it the way capitalists to.  If anyone actualy reads
>councilist or anarcho-syndicalist theories, they would understand that
>these movements go beyond simply managing capitalism and actualy move
>to transform society totaly in a communistic direction of the
>non-authoritarian kind.

to understand anarcho-syndicalism and councilism we have to look at what 
they have done in practice rather than simply take what they say about 
themselves at face value. in Spain the anarcho-syndicalists did not for the 
most part 'go beyond simply managing capitalism and actualy move to 
transform society totaly in a communistic direction of the non-authoritarian 
kind.' lots of different anarchists and 'ultra-leftists' have attacked 
councilism for not focusing on the content of what is managed but only on 
who manages. such an approach is not necessarily pro-leninist.

in just about all your posts Jamal, you describe anarchism as an ideal that 
is always followed by anarchists. you write things such as 'no anarchist 
would...'. this approach is useless, why not try dealing with the real world 
for once.

>The idea of the workers council, etc. is a >strategy that has been proven 
>to work in revolutions,

really? what successful revolutions have there been? i agree that worker's 
councils (not necessarily called such) will probably be a feature of any 
future revolution but they have hardly proved successful so far. of course 
nor has leninism, anarchism, situationism, autonomism etc.

>The stage of workers >setting up councils sponteniously in a revolutionary 
>situation (general >strike, etc) is simply the first step in the total 
>reconstruction of >society and the economy from capitalism to something 
>different and more >human-centered.

i don't want to reconstruct the economy, i want to destroy it.

peter


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