From: "Peter Jovanovic" <peterzoran-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: AUT: Fw: [marxist] Limits of workers councils Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:00:51 +1000 hi all Jamal wrote: >It attacks councilism & syndicalism based on the childish concept that >once workers have control of industry they will not go beyond simply >maintaining it the way capitalists to. If anyone actualy reads >councilist or anarcho-syndicalist theories, they would understand that >these movements go beyond simply managing capitalism and actualy move >to transform society totaly in a communistic direction of the >non-authoritarian kind. to understand anarcho-syndicalism and councilism we have to look at what they have done in practice rather than simply take what they say about themselves at face value. in Spain the anarcho-syndicalists did not for the most part 'go beyond simply managing capitalism and actualy move to transform society totaly in a communistic direction of the non-authoritarian kind.' lots of different anarchists and 'ultra-leftists' have attacked councilism for not focusing on the content of what is managed but only on who manages. such an approach is not necessarily pro-leninist. in just about all your posts Jamal, you describe anarchism as an ideal that is always followed by anarchists. you write things such as 'no anarchist would...'. this approach is useless, why not try dealing with the real world for once. >The idea of the workers council, etc. is a >strategy that has been proven >to work in revolutions, really? what successful revolutions have there been? i agree that worker's councils (not necessarily called such) will probably be a feature of any future revolution but they have hardly proved successful so far. of course nor has leninism, anarchism, situationism, autonomism etc. >The stage of workers >setting up councils sponteniously in a revolutionary >situation (general >strike, etc) is simply the first step in the total >reconstruction of >society and the economy from capitalism to something >different and more >human-centered. i don't want to reconstruct the economy, i want to destroy it. peter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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