File spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2001/aut-op-sy.0108, message 296


Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: for a new world <satellitecrash-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Fw: [marxist] Limits of workers councils


Jamal,
i cannot see the leninism in this document, rather i
think it is a critique syndicalism, council communism,
leninism, and approaches to revolution that are not
holistic. perhaps it is based on a belief in
syndicalists being naive and not focusing on more than
revolution of the economic base, but my interpretation
of this article was that we need to theorize beyond
worker's self management so we can get to thinking
about the end of work, and the revolution of all sorts
of aspects of life that have nothing to do with work.
it also asks us to think beyond compromises with the
bourgeois, and think of how the multitude can realize
autonomy without them. 
in struggle,
-Sean
 
--- Jamal Hannah <jah-AT-iww.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Michael Pugliese wrote:
> 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mhandelman-AT-leftdirect.co.uk
> <mhandelman-AT-leftdirect.co.uk>
> > To: marxist-AT-yahoogroups.com
> <marxist-AT-yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:57 PM
> > Subject: [marxist] Limits of workers councils
> > 
> > 
> >
>
>http://www.geocities.com/cordobakaf/elephantaut.html
> > >
> > >"What does the theory of workers' councils have
> to tell us today? Does
> > >it lead to a possible opening towards proletarian
> autonomy?
> (text clipped)
> 
> This article appears to be pro-Leninist and has
> little to offer
> people actualy interested in real revolution.
> 
> It attacks councilism & syndicalism based on the
> childish concept that
> once workers have control of industry they will not
> go beyond simply
> maintaining it the way capitalists to.  If anyone
> actualy reads
> councilist or anarcho-syndicalist theories, they
> would understand that
> these movements go beyond simply managing capitalism
> and actualy move
> to transform society totaly in a communistic
> direction of the
> non-authoritarian kind.  The idea of the workers
> council, etc. is a
> strategy that has been proven to work in
> revolutions, and is reletivly
> easy for workers to impliment in such a situation.
> To tell workers they
> cannot form councils and must sit around to wait for
> some great
> "leader" to tell them what to do is ridiculous.  The
> stage of workers
> setting up councils sponteniously in a revolutionary
> situation (general
> strike, etc) is simply the first step in the total
> reconstruction of
> society and the economy from capitalism to something
> different and more
> human-centered.
> 
> 
> 
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