Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:54:53 +1000
From: Sergio Fiedler <s.fiedler-AT-unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: AUT: Is social democracy counter-revolutionary?




Michael,

see Giorgio Agamben's book Homo Sacer: Sovereign Power and Bare Life, Stanford
University Press, p. 167-68.

cheers

Sergio

Michael Pugliese wrote:

> >Social-democracy in Germany was the one that introduced the
> system of concentration camps long before the Nazis.
>
>    Now that's one I've never heard anywhere! Source(s)???
> Michael Pugliese
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sergio Fiedler <s.fiedler-AT-unsw.edu.au>
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> Subject: Re: AUT: Is social democracy counter-revolutionary?
>
> >
> >
> >Michael Handelman wrote:
> >
> >> Could one argue, that the SPD because they used the
> >> Freicorps, was counter-revolutionary?
> >
> >I think you could. Social-democracy in Germany was the one that introduced
> the
> >sytem of concentration campas long before the Nazis. That was certainly
> >counter-revolution, not reformism. My point is that you cannot define
> >reformism as counter-revolutionary. Reformism is the politics of giving
> >concession to the working class, counter-revolution is the politics of
> taking
> >those wins away by re-organising society. In practice this means that a
> >reformist is someone that you could still socialise and organise a direct
> >action and going to a rally together with. The counter-revolutionary is the
> >one that organise rallies and direct actions against you. This of course
> does
> >not exclude the situation where the reformist can become a
> counter-revolutnary
> >at some point in time, but that is defined by the specfic situation of the
> >struggle.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Sergio
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Sergio Fiedler <s.fiedler-AT-unsw.edu.au> wrote:
> >> > At least as I learnt it the meaning of
> >> > counter-revolution is quite specific.
> >> > Certainly reformists are against revolution, and the
> >> > in the broadest sense of
> >> > the word, yes they could be called
> >> > counter-revolutionary. But there is a more
> >> > precise definition.  Counter-revolution is a
> >> > right-wing response to a
> >> > revolutionary situation or crisis like reformism,
> >> > but it is based on a
> >> > violence against workers which is directly
> >> > proportional to the radicalisation
> >> > of the workers class itsefl. In others words,
> >> > Hiltler, Pinochet, Franco,
> >> > Neo-liberalism are counter-revolutionary because
> >> > they seek to complately
> >> > destroy working class organisations, even
> >> > bureaucratic ones. Reformism, on the
> >> > other hand, bases its power on some form of worker
> >> > organisation.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Sergio
> >> >
> >> > Michael Handelman wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > It seems to me, that social democracy is quite
> >> > > counter-revolutionary, as it transforms
> >> > revolutionary
> >> > > workers demands into reformist ones, which capital
> >> > can
> >> > > easily handle.
> >> > >
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