From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Throw The Vanguardists Out? [Offline]
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:05:35 -0500


I think this disussion is missing a few things.

Firstly, in a public coalition drawn together on a limited political basis,
you have no political basis for throwing the vanguardists out.  It will seem
to the non-revolutionaries or the less theoretically motivated people to be
authoritarian and that would give the vanguardists what they want, sympathy.

Secondly, the battle with them is first and foremost political.  They follow
two rules: 1) hide their politics, go for the least common denominator 2)
try to gain control of the leadership through organization.  Since they
already have preconceived ways of functioning, they will be able to always
propose ways to do things.

Therefore we have to a) be ready to make fights about the political basis of
the coalitions, even if we lose and b) propose ways of doing things that
consciously undermine them politically and organizationally.  There is no
policing solution that will overcomes the vanguardists.  We have the hard
and rewarding task of coming up with ways of doing things that reflect
autonomist and anarchist ways of functioning, and which help foment a
different kind of organization, which promote self-organization.  I posted
something to Harald which hopefully will be through by the time you read
this.  Consider what I proposed to the Chicago Ad Hoc Coalition as a way of
opposing the vanguardists.

Cheers,
Chris
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From: "for a new world" <satellitecrash-AT-yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Throw The Vanguardists Out? [Offline]


> not really, just look for the folks who can only speak
> in dogma, and are selling papers outside of
> meetings...
> in struggle,
> -Sean
>
> --- Carrol Cox <cbcox-AT-ilstu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Macdonald Stainsby wrote:
> > > [clip]
> >
> > I haven't been following the list very closely so I
> > don't know the
> > background for this, or what the Vanguardists are to
> > be thrown out of.
> > But it is amusing to consider the super-centralist
> > organisation that
> > such action would require -- for "Vanguardists"
> > would simply join
> > without identifying their organizational ties. Then
> > it would be
> > necessary to conduct elaborate loyalty procedures to
> > make sure that
> > there were no hidden "vanguardists" around. Lovely.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Carrol
> >
> >
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>  -Antonio Negri-
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