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From: Montyneill-AT-aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:37:15 EDT
Subject: Re: AUT: Can We Throw The Vanguardists Out?



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As you noted in the first post, what the WWP and IAC also don't do is present 
a radical social alternative, nor do they connect to the actual 
anti-capitalist-globalization movement that was continuing to grow and which 
would now perhaps be in crisis, esp. in US. As George Caffentzis pointed out 
in his comment to the anti-globalization movement, that movement must make 
clear its views and the connections to the capitalist global infrastructure 
and how the Bush regime will use the Taliban etc war to justify not only 
repression in US but furtherance of things like Free Trade Act of America. 

How to do this is the question. There was little of this at demo yesterday in 
Boston, that I heard, tho I'll confess to not listening to very many 
speeches, so some of that conclusion is definitely second hand.

On the other hand, the demo in Boston yesterday was not organized by IAC, so 
I was told, but by another coaltion which the IAC did end up endorsing, but 
they were not much of a presence. But the rather liberal peace/anti-war, 
anti-racism, pro-civil rights tone of IAC dominated events (I was at one in 
San Francisco), was pretty much the same at this demo. The problem is not of 
course what has been raised, but the limitations of what has been raised. 
Still, if most sectors now active stay confined to the terrain they have now 
occupied, it may not matter if it is IAC or another, and in any event won't 
go very far or I fear be very successful.

Again, How is the question, and I don't have much of an answer but would try 
to muster energy when I am at email (only occasional) to participate in 
discussion.

Monty Neill  

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HTML VERSION:

As you noted in the first post, what the WWP and IAC also don't do is present a radical social alternative, nor do they connect to the actual anti-capitalist-globalization movement that was continuing to grow and which would now perhaps be in crisis, esp. in US. As George Caffentzis pointed out in his comment to the anti-globalization movement, that movement must make clear its views and the connections to the capitalist global infrastructure and how the Bush regime will use the Taliban etc war to justify not only repression in US but furtherance of things like Free Trade Act of America.

How to do this is the question. There was little of this at demo yesterday in Boston, that I heard, tho I'll confess to not listening to very many speeches, so some of that conclusion is definitely second hand.

On the other hand, the demo in Boston yesterday was not organized by IAC, so I was told, but by another coaltion which the IAC did end up endorsing, but they were not much of a presence. But the rather liberal peace/anti-war, anti-racism, pro-civil rights tone of IAC dominated events (I was at one in San Francisco), was pretty much the same at this demo. The problem is not of course what has been raised, but the limitations of what has been raised. Still, if most sectors now active stay confined to the terrain they have now occupied, it may not matter if it is IAC or another, and in any event won't go very far or I fear be very successful.

Again, How is the question, and I don't have much of an answer but would try to muster energy when I am at email (only occasional) to participate in discussion.

Monty Neill  
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