Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:42:55 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Scott=20Hamilton?= <s_h_hamilton-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Re: AUT: capitalist cuba? The way I see it the two sides in this debate have two different but perhaps equally difficult tasks. The 'Cuba as capitalist' side has to account for the seemingly-anomalous level of the 'social wage' (health, education etc) enjoyed by the Cuban people. The 'Cuba as socialist' side has to explain the repressive side of Cuban society - the gulags where all too many Cuban Trotskyists and anarchists have found themselves, for instance. I think that Louis Proyect hits the mark with his criticisms of the mostly sterile, utopian arguments paraded by the 'Cuba as capitalist' camp. I have been making similar criticisms for some time in relation to the post-imperialist and anti-national liberation arguments which also mar this list. It seems though, that Proyect, whom I gather is an ex-member of the US SWP, has a very uncritical attitude to Cuba, and thus falls prey to another, less naive strain of utopianism. Proyect might justify the repressive side of the Cuban regime as a necessary condition for socialist contruction in a backward, isolated society, but it seems to me that the best Trotskyists have tended to present bureaucracy and repression as *constraints* on socialist development. The Communist Workers Group of NZ, for instance, presents the failure of the 5 year plans of the USSR as importantly the result of the undemocratic way they were drawn up - workers' needs could not be expressed by bureaucrats' plans, they suggest. Would it be possible to synthesise the best parts of both sides' arguments, and argue for the retention of the positive features of Cuban society as well as the destruction of the Castroite ruling caste and bureaucracy and their replacement with real direct democracy? Failing that, one way forward in this debate may be to shift focus to the practical consequences of the two sides' analyses of Cuba. How does the 'Cuba as capitalist' camp think the cause of real communism can be advanced in Cuba today, and how do I (and Proyect?) think that a recognition of the positive elements of Cuban society can be combined with a programme for the elimination of what is negative? If it does nothing else, such a focus should frighten off those who are uninterested in using this and similar lists as an aid to real political activism. It might also expose those who (rightly, if very repititively) condemn the abuses of 'actually existing socialism' but never feel the need to call foul play on their own side. (I'm thinking, for instance, of the way that one person who apparently wants to send Louis off the field recently defended Toni Negri's excuses for backing a counter-revolutionary Porto Allegro summit...) Cheers Scott ===="Revolution is not like cricket, not even one day cricket" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com --- from list aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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