From: "Greg Schofield" <g_schofield-AT-dingoblue.net.au>
Subject: Re: AUT: Perplexing Times
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:33:21 +0800


Ilan Shalif,

Thank you for the posting below (though I have not read theAufheben article - in fact have been avoiding it).

If there was ever a tribute to the international attributes of the net it is your posting below. The view of people on the spot (I may be mistaken here but you sound like a local) is refreshing and breaks the abstractions which tend to define debate.

I had never heard of much that you speak of below, even given room for generalisations, speculations and the concise nature of the post it does not surprise me, it just seems to make sense from what little I do know. If the US is serious about Iraq (which I fear it is) I expect it to change its tune rapidly on Sharon - normalisation will become much more important to it and the green light it gave him will I think be turned to red fairly soon (I live in hope).

You are probably sick of such speculations (which all too often are completely off beam) so I will leave it there, best of luck and thank you for your contribution. And yes I would be interested in reading your texts.

Greg Schofield
Perth Australia
g_schofield-AT-dingoblue.net.au
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From: Ilan Shalif <gshalif-AT-netvision.net.il>
To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:57:35 +0200
Subject: Re: AUT: Perplexing Times

Hi People.

Peter Jovanovic wrote:

> PS Ilan could you please expand on your critique of the Aufheben article on
> Palestine/Israel as it seems to me you have mainly pointed out some fairly
> minor factual errors.

I have expanded the notes on the margin of the Aufhaben 10 to the first 1/3
of the document.

The main point they missed was the wrong analysis of the classes of
Israel, and the complicated development of these along the years.

Missing the settler colonialist nature of Israel and its naZionist leading
ideology resulted in entirely wrong understanding of the settlements.

It also missed entirely the real dynamic change from settler colonialist
project to a near normal capitalist state which we are on the verge of.

If you do not recognize it, you cannot understand the increasing strikes
of workers in Israel in war time. You will also be hard to understand
why the respected capitalist daily is nearly the mouth peace of the opponents
of the occupation, nor will you understand how come that 25% of the
Jewish citizens are sympathizing with the petition of the reservists combat
commanders that call for refusing to serve in the occupied territories.

When the respected media start to call the prime minister and his click
war crime mongers, it is really a serious crisis for the ruling elite.

If any one is really interested I can send on request the three available texts
I have.

Just a sample of a missed points:
Most of the peripheral regions of Israel are inhabited mainly by low working
class strata of oriental Jews. One of the popular slogans is "money for the
poor neighborhoods and not for the settlements".

Ilan




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