From: "cwright" <cwright-AT-21stcentury.net>
Subject: Re: AUT: enclosure of geocities
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:56:29 -0600


Gra,

That's what I was thinking, actually.  Running a co-op site, that is.  Keep
in mind, Leftists have heavy e-mail traffic but less heavily accessed web
sites.  Supporting sites would be easier (require a less powerful and
expensive server with less bandwith support) than an e-mail server.
Something could be done reasonably cheaply using Linux, given the low cost
of hard drive space these days (relatively speaking, since I would not put
up a Linux web server without a SCSI RAID-5 array.)  If we knew how large
people's web pages were, we could work to customize the amount of space they
get (I doubt too many of us have sites larger than a few tens of megabytes,
and almost none over a gigabyte), which would mean that with traffic and
size taken into account, a relatively small server could be put together (at
most dual processor).  The problem is not getting that up and running (we
could prolly scratch together enough donations to cover the several thousand
dollars for a decent server that could host 30, 40, 50 web sites.)  Aside
from the problem of having all of those sites on one server from a security
point of view, we would have to cover the cost of a dedicated leased line
(even a low budget SDSL would cost us a few hundred a month to cover the
bandwidth needed), we would also have to consider the cost of a domain name,
and people would still have to get e-mail elsewhere, I think.  E-mail volume
for Leftists tends to be so high as to be prohibitive for all the people who
would want to use it, especially when you account for attachments and such.

For now, pobox.com and mail.com offer free e-mail, but how long that will
continue is uncertain to me.

Just geeking.  Anyone interested in this?

Cheers,
Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "dave graham" <davgraham-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: AUT: enclosure of geocities


>
>
> Hi all
>
> This could be a general move as the hot money that backed these companies
is
> now pulling out or seeking real shareholder value.
>
> Altavista is doing the same and no longer even offers free e-mail.
>
> How long before Bill's front does the same?
>
> I can only ask if maybe we could run an area on a co-op /cover costs
basis?
>
> Gra
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: bobandsally <bobandsally-AT-ntlworld.com>
> Reply-To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> To: aut-op-sy-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject: Re: AUT: enclosure of geocities
> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:25:45 +0000
>
> I've had just the same problem with the Subversion site.  Don't know what
> to do about it yet.  Any suggestions?
> Bob
> At 19:59 01/03/02 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >One of the effects of the downturn in IT/new media/etc is that
> >Yahoo! are trying to make their business generate more money
> >more quickly. They had to drop their plan to move into porn
> >almost as soon as they announced it due to the 'public outcry',
> >but are trying various other means. Previoulsy Yahoo! gave away
> >free webspace, on the basis that they could sell advertising.
> >But website advertising has been shown to be ineffective, and in
> >any case, spending on advertising has decreased in general in
> >the current economic climate.
> >
> >Its been a long time coming but Yahoo! are now trying to force
> >money out of people with free geocities websites. eg me. I got a
> >mail last week saying that the antagonism site had been
> >temporarily shut down as it had exceeded its 2 gigabit per month
> >bandwidth allowance (as if!), and this week they have removed
> >FTP access and, like wanna be gangstas, are now offering to sell
> >it back at a price. One major provider, 'another.com' has
> >already simply started to charge for a previously free web mail
> >service.
> >
> >So two questions.
> >
> >1 Has there been any comeback to Yahoo! about this? Eg protests
> >of some sort or anything. (I doubt it but...)
> >
> >2 Are there any places still offering free webspace that are
> >likely to remain doing so and provide a good enough service to
> >make it worth the hassle of moving?
> >
> >If you're looking for free webspace or free webmail, yahoo! is
> >probably no longer a good place to look for.
> >
> >steve
> >
> >ps. Ignore the Yahoo! advertising that the gits apend to all my
> >mails.
> >
> >
> >====> >Antagonism
> >web: http://www.geocities.com/antagonism1
> >email: antagonism1-AT-yahoo.com
> >mail: Antagonism, BM Makhno, London WC1N 3XX, UK
> >
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