Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:52:47 -0600 (CST)
From: "Harry M. Cleaver" <hmcleave-AT-eco.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: AUT: Flooding


Well Louis is gone... ah well, ....


On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Louis Proyect wrote:

> Harry Cleaver:
> >Leninism was defeated long ago. Sometimes tho, people find it amusing to
> >fence with ghosts. It would also be nice to have a Fourierist butt in
> >sometimes, but hey, you can't have everything.
>
> Harry, I don't know how to tell you this but there is no such thing as
> "Leninism".

Damn, and here I thought Louis was kept praising Leninism because he
believed it not only existed but was hardly threatened by defeat.

> Lenin was a Russian revolutionary who struggled to build a
> social democratic party in Russia modeled on the German party of Karl
> Kautsky. After he died, a schema was created in his name that had little to
> do with the party he was involved with. If the Cuban revolution had been
> led by "Leninists", there would have been no revolution.

Don't you love these little history lessons.

> BTW, I mean to ask
> you. You said that there was a revolution in Cuba. Was that a slip of the
> tongue? Could you explain yourself?

Geez, you mean all those people overthrowing Batista and kicking the
casino owners and sugar plantation owners off the island wasn't a
revolution? Duh.

> What kind of revolution was it? I am
> under the impression that when Marx spoke about revolution, he meant one
> class overthrowing another.

Ah, we are to use the term revolution only for successful ones? Seems a
bit narrow, no?


> Or were you using it in the Toni Negri/Spinoza fashion?

Not likely.

>
>
> Louis Proyect
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