Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:37:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Floyce White <anti_property-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Historical as against ideological analysis


In reply to Greg, post 375, I quote:


>When you say: "Your method of defining classes by 
>income is fundamentally flawed, therefore, any 
>conclusions based on this argument are unfounded."
>
>I believe you are referencing my statement about 
>this class becoming managers and bureacrats. In your 
>referred post you make this statement.
>
>"Another way to attack the self-organization of the
>working class is to define classes as something other
>than property classes.  In this way, capitalists can
>pretend to be working-class people and can continue 
>to infiltrate workers' groups and prevent self-
>organization.  For example, classes could be defined 
>by occupation.  Butcher, baker, candlestick maker--
>all are forms of work, so all doers of work are
>supposedly working class.  Managers, executives, and
>'the bosses' are seen as 'real' capitalists."
>
>Which can be read as to count managers into the 
>working class. I beleive you make the assumption 
>that because I do not and that I used the expression 
>new middle class that I must therefore be using 
>income as a defining category.


"Which can be read as to count managers into the 
working class[?]"

Perhaps.  The thermometer can also be read as to 
count in Kelvin, but any conclusions drawn on a body 
temperature of 37 Kelvin would be about as useful.

If this is the limit of your reasoning, the 
discussion stops here.

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