Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:26:48 +1100 (EST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Richard=20Bailey?= <redrich2000-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Monopolise Mayday: Here we go again...I'm too radical for my  shirt...


I am interested in some serious information on
Gloablise Resistance in the UK.

Student groups in Australia had some similar ideas
here for an anti-capitalist group that could bring
together activists from a variety of activist and
theoretical backgrounds but it failed.

I think this is an important project, the
fragmentation and secatarianism of the movement is a
real weakness. It seems initiatives like the Genoa
Social Forum have begun to overcome some of these.

But do you need a G8 summit to create this level of
unity? There are moves here to create social forums
but it is not clear whether they will have any content
to go with the form.

Richard




 --- Daniel Sayer <Daniel.Sayer-AT-prnewswire.co.uk>
wrote: > Yeh...yeh "rock on" man...revolution
> yeh...man...whatever...I am the
> weaver...lets meet for a pint and talk about
> this...cause its starting to
> annoy me...that "oh so theatrical" walk out of GR
> meetings...the heckling
> from the back...it's a laugh...makes for debate...
> 
> To clarify I am not a member of GR...but I
> occasionally give them some
> support...
> 
> dubious statements:
> 
> "Monopolise Resistance": so small in the UK this is
> ludicrous...they
> successfully organised
> a few conferences and a few coaches to go to
> European protests...oh and have
> a website
> with some stuff on it...or do you mean....they just
> "got more people
> involved than us"...
> which would be pathetic...or could it be "we need to
> keep this so REAL
> man...that it remains OURS"...
> or could it be "they have too much orange in their
> material and I always
> preferred red" !
> 
> the only yardstick to judge any of this by is
> action...judge it by that
> only...if they get some more people
> to turn up...that will do for me...if the police pen
> us in again there will
> be another riot and some more
> people will be enlightened by the state response...
> 
> "Guy class traitor Taylor": now this is getting
> silly if you can't
> understand he's on your side... 
> get a grip...just engage in dialogue instead of
> monologue and maybe you'll
> get somewhere...
> How is he a traitor of his class...? Explain it to
> me slowly...cause I'm a
> little dumb...or is it 
> relative...is he more of a traitor to his class than
> you but less of a
> traitor to his class than laughing boy
> Tony...?
> 
> "The trade union and labour hierarchy, who for years
> paid at best lip
> service to Mayday, fears the growing militancy
> amongst some sections of the
> working class and the possibility of a genuine link
> up with
> anti-capitalists, which may lead to the adoption of
> the tactics of direct
> action and the rejection of sterile trade union and
> electoral politics.  No
> doubt they have an eye on the local elections on May
> 2nd.  They are backing
> United for Mayday as a safety valve" - and there was
> silly old me thinking
> GR were just trying to replicate what happened in
> Genoa and Barcelona - the
> broadening of the protest by involving unions...
> 
> "Excitement indeed!" - critical mass cycling,
> wearing padded outfits,
> juggling...three word chants...yeh...excitement
> indeed...and isn't it all so
> exciting...the underground plotting...the purity of
> our revolutionary stance
> against theirs...the in-depth thought about tactics
> and how we are going to
> "dodge" the police...
> 
> "the state will be use this to justify state
> violence against anyone who
> dares to defy the false unity"...do you dare...do
> you...go on I dare
> you...unfortunately, you will be a target if you are
> in the "legal" march or
> in the direct action stuff...of course the direct
> action will provoke more
> of a police reaction...isn't that the point of it ?
> ! ?...wasn't it agreed
> at the meeting that any actions by the police to
> attack the direct actions
> would be protested against by the mass protest...is
> that not an act of
> solidarity from GR ? Similarly if "the anarchists"
> stayed instead of leaving
> everytime in a huff...we might have found that
> common ground for future
> work...
> 
> I sometimes get the feeling some are playing the
> "game of revolution" rather
> than thinking what might be the best tactic for
> immediate and long term
> change...so as far as possible you need a mass
> movement...which needn't mean
> "selling out" being a "class traitor" etc. but it
> will involve moderation
> from a purist revolutionary perspective...dialogue
> with a view to changing
> your position...the simultaneous existence of a
> million positions with a
> unified aim...attempting to change the organizations
> which you recognize as
> having good intentions but which you feel are
> adopting bad tactics...or
> undemocratic structures of heriachy / organization
> etc.
> 
> Are you really slandering GR cause they organized a
> few conferences...never
> went but I heard there were some good speakers...and
> organized a few coaches
> and a train to Genoa...?
> 
> "Globalise Resistance is a front for the SWP and
> Socialist Alliance" - is it
> really a "front" or do you mean that some people
> free float between all
> these organizations...being "the left" that exists
> in this miserable
> island...does GR really have the same agenda as the
> SWP or Socialist
> Alliance...doubtful...do they really claim every
> worker supports them...now
> that would be silly...
> 
> sectarianism and the left...you better believe it
> baby...I'm too radical for
> your shirt...too radical for your shirt...too
> sexy...
> 
> unity in diversity...you can shove it...purist
> revolutionary direct
> action...sounds so wonderful and beautiful...
> 
> For what it's worth my take on GR is a little more
> generous...although they
> need to think through some stuff which
> is currently up for debate...they've only been
> around for a year or two...so
> as far as I'm aware everything is still up to be
> debated...
> if this turns out not to be the case...then I'll eat
> one of their orange
> flags...
> 
> d.
> 
> 
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