Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:44:31 +1100
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Monopolise Mayday: Here we go again...I'm too
From: Ben Hoh <jebni-AT-bigpond.com>


Daniel, what on earth are you replying to? Have I missed a post?

Ben


> Yeh...yeh "rock on" man...revolution yeh...man...whatever...I am the
> weaver...lets meet for a pint and talk about this...cause its starting to
> annoy me...that "oh so theatrical" walk out of GR meetings...the heckling
> from the back...it's a laugh...makes for debate...
> 
> To clarify I am not a member of GR...but I occasionally give them some
> support...
> 
> dubious statements:
> 
> "Monopolise Resistance": so small in the UK this is ludicrous...they
> successfully organised
> a few conferences and a few coaches to go to European protests...oh and have
> a website
> with some stuff on it...or do you mean....they just "got more people
> involved than us"...
> which would be pathetic...or could it be "we need to keep this so REAL
> man...that it remains OURS"...
> or could it be "they have too much orange in their material and I always
> preferred red" !
> 
> the only yardstick to judge any of this by is action...judge it by that
> only...if they get some more people
> to turn up...that will do for me...if the police pen us in again there will
> be another riot and some more
> people will be enlightened by the state response...
> 
> "Guy class traitor Taylor": now this is getting silly if you can't
> understand he's on your side...
> get a grip...just engage in dialogue instead of monologue and maybe you'll
> get somewhere...
> How is he a traitor of his class...? Explain it to me slowly...cause I'm a
> little dumb...or is it
> relative...is he more of a traitor to his class than you but less of a
> traitor to his class than laughing boy
> Tony...?
> 
> "The trade union and labour hierarchy, who for years paid at best lip
> service to Mayday, fears the growing militancy amongst some sections of the
> working class and the possibility of a genuine link up with
> anti-capitalists, which may lead to the adoption of the tactics of direct
> action and the rejection of sterile trade union and electoral politics.  No
> doubt they have an eye on the local elections on May 2nd.  They are backing
> United for Mayday as a safety valve" - and there was silly old me thinking
> GR were just trying to replicate what happened in Genoa and Barcelona - the
> broadening of the protest by involving unions...
> 
> "Excitement indeed!" - critical mass cycling, wearing padded outfits,
> juggling...three word chants...yeh...excitement indeed...and isn't it all so
> exciting...the underground plotting...the purity of our revolutionary stance
> against theirs...the in-depth thought about tactics and how we are going to
> "dodge" the police...
> 
> "the state will be use this to justify state violence against anyone who
> dares to defy the false unity"...do you dare...do you...go on I dare
> you...unfortunately, you will be a target if you are in the "legal" march or
> in the direct action stuff...of course the direct action will provoke more
> of a police reaction...isn't that the point of it ? ! ?...wasn't it agreed
> at the meeting that any actions by the police to attack the direct actions
> would be protested against by the mass protest...is that not an act of
> solidarity from GR ? Similarly if "the anarchists" stayed instead of leaving
> everytime in a huff...we might have found that common ground for future
> work...
> 
> I sometimes get the feeling some are playing the "game of revolution" rather
> than thinking what might be the best tactic for immediate and long term
> change...so as far as possible you need a mass movement...which needn't mean
> "selling out" being a "class traitor" etc. but it will involve moderation
> from a purist revolutionary perspective...dialogue with a view to changing
> your position...the simultaneous existence of a million positions with a
> unified aim...attempting to change the organizations which you recognize as
> having good intentions but which you feel are adopting bad tactics...or
> undemocratic structures of heriachy / organization etc.
> 
> Are you really slandering GR cause they organized a few conferences...never
> went but I heard there were some good speakers...and organized a few coaches
> and a train to Genoa...?
> 
> "Globalise Resistance is a front for the SWP and Socialist Alliance" - is it
> really a "front" or do you mean that some people free float between all
> these organizations...being "the left" that exists in this miserable
> island...does GR really have the same agenda as the SWP or Socialist
> Alliance...doubtful...do they really claim every worker supports them...now
> that would be silly...
> 
> sectarianism and the left...you better believe it baby...I'm too radical for
> your shirt...too radical for your shirt...too sexy...
> 
> unity in diversity...you can shove it...purist revolutionary direct
> action...sounds so wonderful and beautiful...
> 
> For what it's worth my take on GR is a little more generous...although they
> need to think through some stuff which
> is currently up for debate...they've only been around for a year or two...so
> as far as I'm aware everything is still up to be debated...
> if this turns out not to be the case...then I'll eat one of their orange
> flags...
> 
> d.
> 
> 
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